Early in turbo tournament, blinds 100/200, stacks between 80 and 200 BB. I have average stack around 22,000. I limp behind from MP with 3-5 spades. Villain/small blind (20,000 stack) raises to 1,200 and I flat.

Flop: 2h-4d-7c.

Villain c-bets for 1,200. All fold but me (I call).

Turn: 2d.

Check, check.

River: 6h.

Villain checks. I bet 3,000 and villain check raises all in for over 17,000. Villain immediately says, "I didn't think I could get any more out of you."

My action? I won't post results here because I've been criticized for doing it in the past. I am worried that villain boated with 7-7 or 6-6 and my straight is no good. On the other hand, my hand is pretty well disguised. Sure it's a paired board, but what's the point of playing these hands if I am just going to fold when I actually get there? No intel on villain's style, haven't played against her much.

Thanks!

Fold pre on both occasions.

Why fold pre-flop? I'm deep enough and so is villain. Aren't the implied odds good if I make my straight or flush? And I have position.

You have an equity disadvantage, you're not fully connected, you are never going to flop an openended straight draw to the nuts except on 24x and your flush is often dominated because people like to play suited cards. You probably have negative implied odds at this point with that hand.

Fair enough. I don't normally play suited connectors as weak as 3-5. All that being said, would you call the shove?

With no prior intel, looks like a guess. I think smaller pocket pairs get limped in pre in MP more than they get raised, and she checked twice, then goes all in. Looks like a weird, overplay line to me. I'd lean toward calling.

First bet the turn.

In the case she isn't completely terrible you can discard overpairs on the river because I don't think most people checkshove that big with them and they also are more likely to bet the turn. Most likely hand is 77 that bets to protect against draws on the flop that doesn't have to on the turn because the full house. It's only 3 combinations though so I don't know if I can find a fold just because that one hand. If she is slightly more terrible she also has 44/66 and if she's completely terrible there are also some overpairs.

It's a live donkament, there must be something you can tell about villain, either the way she plays or her presence at the table. Probably end up giving her credit for a very narrow range and fold but it's close either way.

I thought her statement right after she shoved was somewhat
revealing. False confidence perhaps? I tanked for a minute or two
before making my decision and she remained quiet the whole time, so
not a whole lot to pick up on there.

I agree an overpair is unlikely. I think players at this level
tend to triple-barrel them, so a turn check makes no sense,
river check even less so.

A lot depends on her tendency to raise in the blind with limpers before her.
Some people will play medium-small pairs pretty passively
in the blinds hoping to flop a set. More aggressive players may
opt to raise a hand like 7-7 to force other hands out pre-flop. I don't
peg villain as that type of player though.

What led me to hesitate more was the fact that I bet pretty
big on the river with all those low cards out there and she still
thought she had me beat. That really narrowed her range in my mind.

I have to disagree here. I think she has an overpair. The oversized preflop bet out of position suggests TT through QQ to me. And I don't think she can honestly put the hero on a straight draw, so I think the flop bet was pure value, and the turn check back was trying to set up a bluff. I think if she boated up, she likely bets smaller on the river. The river shove, 14k raise into a pot of 10,800, seems a touch defensive for a value bet (though with that stack size, possibly not)

Really hard to guess her approach readless, though. Where I usually play, the tournaments are not re-entry, and it is an hours drive, so I probably would fold. If I could re-enter, or if another tournament was starting soon, I would call. I strongly suspect she has an over pair

lul, this isn't PLO. 35s can be devastating if you know what you're doing. I call or fold the river based on my read. She's acting strong and is probably giving out enough information to tell me whether or not she is actually strong.

I'm strongly leaning towards a call since she raised out of the SB, which probably means an overpair. An overpair would go along with her speech play, too. What she's saying is true if you have pair or if your two pair were counterfeited, since it is partially true she probably used to it to sound sincere in case you have a stronger hand.

Sorry but this made me lol. Dude open limps in mp with 53s and you think she's only raising big pairs? I'd raise a ton of hands there vs a loose limper and I think not doing so is leaving a bunch of chips on the table.

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I'd fold the 53s preflop. If forced to play it for whatever reason, I would raise it to 3 big blinds. I think limping is the worst option.

After the small blind raises preflop? I don't really think it matters because now op knows not to open limp in that spot and he'll hopefully fix that leak and never open limp in mp again. It's the "jailhouse phone call conjecture" all over again:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/53...use+conjecture

To be clear, I didn't open limp, I limped behind a limper, which is somewhat different. Next time I'll just raise.

Don't play low suited one gappers from mp and don't limp. Flatting the raise is also horrible. Villain should have a set here most of the time. This would be a weird line with an overpair.

For sure too much flatting going on by you. That telegraphs to villain you're on a draw, allowing him to check twice with what I'm thus pretty sure was a made hand.

Ok I don't see that information in the op. The only hint was this:

I incorrectly assumed that you were simply misusing the terminology because there was no mention of a limper up front. However, limping in MP with 53s is most definitely unprofitable with very very rare exception. Raising is most definitely unprofitable as well with very very rare exception. Sure, it's somewhat different with a limper involved, but "less bad" is still bad.

I agree. I still don't understand what gets people all hyped up about a hand that doesn't make the top 65% of all hands with severe reversed implied odds and almost never flops nut draws.

So what were the results?

Fold pre twice. Playing garbage hands way OOP is throwing money away. Also this kind of hand will often see you get 'coolered' when the money goes in, because your trips no-kicker is no good or you get overflushed or whatever.

I called after a minute of two. I asked if she had a boat. She shook her hear and showed A-K off, totally whiffed, pure bluff. I won.

[QUOTE=DumbosTrunk;52671671]Villain immediately says, "I didn't think I could get any more out of you."QUOTE]

Ignore what they say.. if they had the nuts or a better hand than a straight why would they convince you to fold? Which is what they are basically saying through that context.

I'm guessing you eventually called and won the pot?