Fishtankz:
H1: Baluga? Fold turn. Seems like you got attached to your PF hand.
H2: Pretty rough but not folding there, seems fine.
H3: I'd rather cbet turn myself because there is some fold equity.

Reviewing my session from yesterday.
I had drunk a bit and was a bit reckless but ended up -$3.50 which is not bad as I was -$15 at one point and I misclick folded that 4c river donk.

1. No real strat here, but nice to see what villains will stack off with otf.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $2.24 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 67)
BB: $5.00
UTG: $11.99 (VPIP: 34.79, PFR: 6.69, 3Bet Preflop: 1.58, Hands: 839)
Hero (CO): $4.33
BTN: $2.33 (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 2.02, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 101)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has 8 8

fold, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, fold, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.38, 3 players) 8 4 K
BB checks, Hero bets $0.28, fold, BB raises to $0.88, Hero raises to $2.11, BB raises to $4.88 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.10

Turn: ($8.80, 2 players) 5

River: ($8.80, 2 players) 3



2. Same villain. He seemed to minbet with weak hands so his bets here seemed like TP type hands. Quite pleased I got him to put more money in with a weak holding. Nice call, though, I guess he put me on a bluff.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $3.82 (VPIP: 97.44, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
Hero (BB): $5.78
UTG: $3.84 (VPIP: 27.78, PFR: 6.94, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 73)
MP: $4.80 (VPIP: 30.91, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.41, Hands: 276)
CO: $4.00 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
BTN: $14.70 (VPIP: 33.83, PFR: 6.98, 3Bet Preflop: 1.75, Hands: 760)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has K K

UTG calls $0.04, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.04, SB calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.24, UTG calls $0.20, fold, SB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.76, 3 players) 4 3 J
SB bets $0.38, Hero raises to $1.90, fold, SB calls $1.52

Turn: ($4.56, 2 players) 6
SB bets $0.32, Hero raises to $3.56, SB calls $1.36

River: ($7.92, 2 players) 2



3. Okaaay. Tbh I was starting to think AKo aipf was not a good move (although someone did some decent maths on it last month). You can see from his pf open he was a bit of a lunatic though - he had 8bb opened previously.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $4.10 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 60.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 5)
BTN: $4.00 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
SB: $8.30 (VPIP: 28.15, PFR: 22.96, 3Bet Preflop: 3.51, Hands: 135)
Hero (BB): $4.04
UTG: $1.14 (VPIP: 64.29, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 29)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has A K

fold, CO raises to $0.32, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.72, CO raises to $4.10 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.32

Flop: ($8.10, 2 players) 7 3 K

Turn: ($8.10, 2 players) Q

River: ($8.10, 2 players) J



4. Not proud of this one. Always calling the min 3 bet pre, and decided to float flop but should have folded turn. At least I got him to call my river raise!

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $12.77 (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 16)
Hero (BTN): $4.00
SB: $4.79 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BB: $8.89 (VPIP: 33.11, PFR: 6.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.82, Hands: 616)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has 9 A

fold, Hero raises to $0.12, SB raises to $0.20, fold, Hero calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.44, 2 players) 4 6 T
SB bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.88, 2 players) 6
SB bets $0.48, Hero calls $0.48

River: ($1.84, 2 players) 2
SB bets $1.04, Hero raises to $3.10 and is all-in, SB calls $2.06



5. Not sure AI on flop is good here. At the time I figured flush and straight draw gives me lots of equity but I guess I didn't really consider his range.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $2.36 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 18)
MP: $4.58 (VPIP: 18.78, PFR: 16.24, 3Bet Preflop: 11.48, Hands: 199)
CO: $10.29 (VPIP: 34.06, PFR: 6.71, 3Bet Preflop: 1.67, Hands: 790)
Hero (BTN): $4.00
SB: $2.76 (VPIP: 44.74, PFR: 1.32, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 78)
BB: $4.80 (VPIP: 30.59, PFR: 11.51, 3Bet Preflop: 3.16, Hands: 305)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has K Q

fold, MP raises to $0.14, fold, Hero calls $0.14, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.34, 2 players) 7 A J
MP bets $0.28, Hero raises to $0.82, MP raises to $2.00, Hero raises to $3.86 and is all-in, MP calls $1.86

Turn: ($8.06, 2 players) Q

River: ($8.06, 2 players) 9



6. Meh. Nice turn. At least he was short.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $4.40 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
SB: $0.92 (VPIP: 47.37, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
BB: $9.83 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 6.49, 3Bet Preflop: 1.10, Hands: 708)
Hero (UTG): $4.10
MP: $1.90 (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
CO: $2.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04, CO posts DB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.10) Hero has A A

Hero raises to $0.16, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.14, fold

Flop: ($0.40, 2 players) 6 9 8
SB bets $0.04, Hero raises to $0.36, SB calls $0.32

Turn: ($1.12, 2 players) T
SB checks, Hero bets $1.12, SB calls $0.40

River: ($1.92, 2 players) 2

Do people not realise that reading a HH takes time and effort. If you post like more than 3 (and 3 is pushing it) it's just a pain in the arse to read through.

The only hand I read was 5 and you don't really need to be raising the nutflush draw with a straight draw (name for this?) I mean there are obviously lots of reasons to but from your post you didn't give a any so if he's cbetting some normal amount of time I'm quite happy just calling here. When you raise you do have to GII btw everything else is just bad.

Actually, hand 5: Equilab has me as 57% against an 18% range of 66+,A5s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+
But that's only his opening range. After he 3bets that narrows it right?
Against AA,JJ,77,AKs,AJs,KQs,AKo,AJo,KQo I only have 46.6%.

Thanks MMSS, you are a bit of a grouch aren't you?

h5: seems like a good spot to call IP.
h3: i like that bet sizing vs the donk. those guys want to get rid of their money, fast.
Not playing much this month but i created a pgc: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-10nl-1367749/
Engineering studies ain't ez

Any point value betting these rivers?

1) PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $3.76 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
SB: $4.96 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: $5.32 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
UTG: $3.53 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
Hero (MP): $9.11
CO: $5.54 (VPIP: 18.37, PFR: 13.86, 3Bet Preflop: 3.76, Hands: 343)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A A

fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, BTN calls $0.15, fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47, 3 players) 9 2 7
BB checks, Hero bets $0.34, fold, BB calls $0.34

Turn: ($1.15, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets $0.76, BB calls $0.76

River: ($2.67, 2 players) 8
BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, BB raises to $4.07 and is all-in, fold


2) PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $6.27
SB: $6.84 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
BB: $4.98 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG: $2.33
MP: $8.39 (VPIP: 17.19, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 65)
CO: $5.65 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A A

fold, MP raises to $0.15, fold, Hero raises to $0.44, SB calls $0.42, fold, MP calls $0.29

Flop: ($1.37, 3 players) 2 7 K
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.60, fold, MP calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.57, 2 players) 8
MP checks, Hero bets $1.66, MP calls $1.66

River: ($5.89, 2 players) 6
MP checks, Hero bets $3.57 and is all-in, fold

The flop FD missed and the river looks like a good bluff card, so I think he should be able to call with worse every now and then, but not sure. Could it be better to check and catch his bluffs?


3) Just a line check. Standard?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $12.99 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
SB: $10.90 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
Hero (BB): $5.38
UTG: $5.47 (VPIP: 20.23, PFR: 14.45, 3Bet Preflop: 1.67, Hands: 175)
MP: $5.29 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 11)
CO: $9.71 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 6.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 7 A

UTG raises to $0.12, MP calls $0.12, fold, fold, SB calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.48, 4 players) 3 8 9
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG calls $0.30, fold, fold

Turn: ($1.08, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $0.74, UTG calls $0.74

River: ($2.56, 2 players) 3
Hero bets $1.70, fold

Ye his 3bet range narrows it down, whether or not that range is anywhere near right I dunno but it's one of those spots where you fold out nothing better (weak aces better?) and nothing worse continues.

And I'm not grumpy, just pretty straight to the point. No point mincing my words, you don't have to take the advice but it's mostly always well intentioned.

Can't edit the above, here's the grind today.



Had to spend the whole day sorting out my room and other parts of my house so haven't had any time to grind and I'm going out now (note, be weary about advice given later on)

Still though got the house all to myself for the next few days so should be able to catch up before the week is over. I reckon I can hit 200 a day easily on Wed Thur & Fri so I may even try and get the challenge done by Friday. Depends how I'm feeling though, not going to rush it for the sake of hitting my target, better to take an extra day or two than play badly for the sake of volume.

http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/i...model-tilt.php

If he's right or not is not really up for debate in this thread I guess, but i thought it was a pretty good article

Gonna take a break for 2-3 days, sick of breaking even for over a month now, taking money from regs and donating to fishes.

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...031_1839DB9132

Anybody think this line is fine vs a fish/spewtard? Obviously it puts my range pretty face up and exploitable vs a reg.

Could probably consider donking all 3 streets tbh.

Back after taking a few months off. Playing on lock was just depressing. Trying out bcp now, I've been able to get hm2 up on my new computer but I can't seem to get the HUD to work. Been a fun first night back, been running like god.

@birday

i think it isn't played too badly, but if he's a passive fish I'd consider 3b pre, and just go for value all the way. Calling isn't too bad though vs a fish spewtard.

I definitely just got heads up in this 2.16 bounty tournament. and the guy goes inactive....


uhh...?

edit: yeah, thats it, he never came back. He had like 3x my stack once HU started.

Hope you won. Congrats

@quadas:

H1, river is definitely a value bet but I'd either make it smaller or consider shoving with history (river overbets are sexy yo) b/c it's much easier for him to have a hand which is a bluffcatcher against any sizing but has blockers against a standard OB range.

H2 is absolutely fine, you're IP so checking to catch his bluffs would be inadvisable.

H3 isn't bad but I prefer smaller on the turn then checking the river, either to x/f or x/jam.

Thanks TDA, you are right, I should learn to read my own handhistories also...

Interesting article.
I think in many cases the logic disconnect occurs stronger when we see someone win big with what is clearly a losing play. At least for me it's a lot more tilting if villain opens UTG and flats a 3bet oop with 56o and somehow cracks my aces than if he 4bet gii with KK and do the same. While learning we are trying so hard to imprint "rules" in our minds that certain plays are losing plays and when we see those losing plays make big profit against us, especially if it happens over and over again, the brain might very well freak out.

But as he said, we just need to teach the brain that in the short run anything can happen and there's no need to freak out. Having played a lot of hands and seeing a graph that shows consistent long term profit despite occasional short term downswings certainly helps. For me this means that tilt problems are most likely when moving up stakes. Until I have proven with some degree of certainty that I'm a winner at the new stake, I often catch myself thinking "why can't I beat this stake when people are playing like that", which sometimes might lead to suboptimal play. Once the graph has taken off and is pointing steadily upwards despite ridiculous suckouts, it's much easier to just shrug it of as variance.

In other news, 5nl is tilting the hell out of me right now and I'll take a couple of days of. I see so much bad play but I keep ending up at the wrong side of the coolers. I think I'm losing more than necessary though, need to make some serious session reviews before getting back.

How do you guys approach Shiptards who jam with a super wide range? If you've seen them ship hands like KTo do you start calling wider too, or wait for the good first?

If you start adding Axo (x being a rag, 2 - 6 we'll say) there's always that chance you'll run into the top of their range, but at the same time there's always the chance of you stacking them when they end up with a Kx type hand.

What I'm wondering is, do you guys risk the variance or do you continue sticking to your jamming range albeit slightly looser than normal?

^What stakes and stack sizes?

Are you talking about where u raise 3x and they shove, or they just open shove 40bbs or whatever?

Is it a one off or have they done it a few times?

I'm talking microstakes, <NL10 with random stack sizes.
Played against somebody who limp/shoved A5o. Couple of hands later they limped, I raised, and they shoved. I called with A8o but they had AJs and hit the nuts on the flop.

It makes me wonder whether taking the risk against someone like that when you've seen them show up with worse is worth it.

Also, had a downer of a day today. You can read about it here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=12

Any words of encouragement would be good.
GG guys.

I have PT4 set up to take an auto note anytime someone opens 40bb+ or 3bet all-in pre and show a hand at showdown. That way I can get some idea of what hands repeat offenders do this with. I need some very solid reads that they do it a lot with worse to call with A8o, though.

At 5nl there's also a lot of guys who shove over a cbet on the flop or donk-shove. These I believe are in general stronger hands, though I haven't had a hand good enough to find out with yet.

There's a small section in my PB on donk overbets.

If it's under 50bbs I normally call with a range of roughly ATs+, AJo+, 88+

If it's more then I'll tighten up from that

Read your post.

These are all standard hands that you just have to learn to deal with. Be happy where you got the money in good that you are playing against fish and making the right plays to win their money in the long term. Maybe look at the equity they had and remind yourself that they do have a % chance of beating you. It happens.

Where you got your money in bad then analyse the crap out of it and work out if there's anything you could have done better or differently, from pre to betsizing or w/e.

From the sounds of it you've got mental game problems. I'd start there if I was you. The Mental Game of Poker is great, or they just updated the COTW thread on this very subject so go take a look (not gonna link it as it's good to search around the forums and see what else you can find)

I work full time too, and sometimes some very long hours, so I know what it's like when you're tired but still wanna play but are probably incapable of playing your A game consistently. I'm actually working nights at the moment and have had about 3hrs sleep, which is why I'm languishing around the forums rather than donking off a few BIs.

If you really have to play when you're tired/stressed/annoyed etc maybe just load up a couple of 50c SnGs or something and donk around in those when you feel like your game will suffer if you play. Your losses will be capped, but you can still concentrate and try and win them if you're able.

After reading TMGOP I decided to only play when I felt I could properly concentrate and give it my all. I don't always stick to it now (but I should) but I definitely saw an increase in winrate.

Also, never stop learning. Pick a subject for the week, or month, or x no of hands and just work on that part of your game. It may be improving your blind play, calling in 3bet pots, or just getting your steal % up. Have a focus to work on rather than just loading up some tables and clicking buttons. Not saying that's what you're doing, but having another focus can help you, well focus, when you play!

Good luck

Thank you for the kind/helpful words Dunna. I appreciate it!

Haven't seen villain raise this size yet. He is a 21/18/4.9 over 280 hands. Can only assume that his value combos are weight down becuase of this sizing.
On the flop I XR planning to barrel and club, K, T. I rep 66 and Jx pretty well so should get some folds from AK, possibly some over pairs and other equity hands.
OTT the 9 is isn't a great card so I check.
OTR he is basically capped to Kx FDs. He is betting all his Jx OTT along with boats. I have the nut blocker and I would play FDs like this a significant amount.

Thoughts?

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - [
BTN: $51.57
SB: $104.10
BB: $23.38
UTG: $81.11
Hero (MP): $89.60
CO: $136.16

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with Q A
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, CO raises to $2.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($6.25) J 6 J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.25, Hero raises to $11, CO calls $7.75

Turn: ($28.25) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($28.25) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $16.75, Hero raises to $75.85 all in,