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09-28-2013 , 06:41 AM
Ok, so turn comes a low blank and villain bets half pot. Call or fold?

We're never likely to get enough sample size to make a stat based decision on this villain, so just use population tendencies?
09-28-2013 , 06:46 AM
Looks like button clicking.

Why donk in H1?

H2, what has villain's 3bet stat got to do with it? You've completely missed the flop multiway. What play do you think is best?
09-28-2013 , 06:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ugthemc
yeah 4 tabling 5nl sucks, why are playing so few tables? double your tables ang get out of 5nl as quick as possible to avoid paying rake
Yeah I dunno - 4 tables fits on my screen nicely (laptop) and I can pay attention.
I can manage a couple more maybe if I had the right screen.
As it is my HUD hides too much of the table.
09-28-2013 , 06:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
What do you guys do in this kind of situation.

Villain is TAG 17/14 over 372 hands, 6.2AF, 10% 3bet (13.9 in BB but not huge sample size)

Villain has cbet 3/5 times in 3bet pots, and barrelled turns 100%

If we call flop are we calling down all blank turns and rivers?

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19669161

    BTN: $13.01 (130.1 bb)
    Hero (SB): $13.91 (139.1 bb)
    BB: $10 (100 bb)
    UTG: $10 (100 bb)
    MP: $10.28 (102.8 bb)
    CO: $13.40 (134 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
    4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.70

    Flop: ($2) A 6 A (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $1.20




    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
    I kinda suck at bvb play, but never folding on flop or blank turn here.
    09-28-2013 , 07:01 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dunna100
    Looks like button clicking.

    Why donk in H1?

    H2, what has villain's 3bet stat got to do with it? You've completely missed the flop multiway. What play do you think is best?
    About the donk in H1 is definitely a incorrect play by me. Other then that how is your line going to be? 3betting him otf?

    How will you play to extract maximum value with this premium hand in BvsB situation?

    Yup, I guess it is pretty straight forward for H2.

    Last edited by Tarkyo; 09-28-2013 at 07:08 AM.
    09-28-2013 , 07:05 AM
    QQ I'd be getting in pre, as played ch/call flop and go from there
    09-28-2013 , 07:31 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
    Yeah I dunno - 4 tables fits on my screen nicely (laptop) and I can pay attention.
    I can manage a couple more maybe if I had the right screen.
    As it is my HUD hides too much of the table.
    Dude, I should upload a Pic of my crappy laptop that probably isn't even 14'. Just tile the tables, stack fish and move on with life. Your not missing much
    09-28-2013 , 07:34 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dunna100
    What do you guys do in this kind of situation.

    Villain is TAG 17/14 over 372 hands, 6.2AF, 10% 3bet (13.9 in BB but not huge sample size)

    Villain has cbet 3/5 times in 3bet pots, and barrelled turns 100%

    If we call flop are we calling down all blank turns and rivers?

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19669161

      BTN: $13.01 (130.1 bb)
      Hero (SB): $13.91 (139.1 bb)
      BB: $10 (100 bb)
      UTG: $10 (100 bb)
      MP: $10.28 (102.8 bb)
      CO: $13.40 (134 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
      4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.70

      Flop: ($2) A 6 A (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $1.20




      Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

      I'd be 4betting pre flop. Most tag-ish regs are going to show up with worse pocket pairs here, so we can 4bet to pick up the dead money in the pot, or potentially have him float us with TT on this flop if he makes a pretty crappy call pre.

      As played, what do you expect him to have in his BvB 3betting range that we still beat on this flop? Does he 3bet wider in these spots? Does he 3bet YOU x% or does he just 3bet generally x% of the time? Does he only 3bet for value? These are questions that with an answer will help exponantially for the way we have played our hand.
      Does he ever expect us to defend with Ax and then C/C this flop? If not, I don't expect him to let us go to showdown with our hand.
      09-28-2013 , 07:54 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by ugthemc
      Dude, I should upload a Pic of my crappy laptop that probably isn't even 14'. Just tile the tables, stack fish and move on with life. Your not missing much
      I might give it a go, but I like to observe to see what villains show down.
      I don't want to be a robot, exploitable multi-tabler.
      09-28-2013 , 08:04 AM
      So, done with 4nl @ iPoker.
      Seems a decent result, plus about $20 in deposit bonus too.
      Played 1.5k of 10nl too which didn't go too well.

      [IMG]http://s22.************/rw0job50h/4nl_i_Poker.png[/IMG]
      09-28-2013 , 09:02 AM
      Dunna, that's a super-standard 4b/GII bvb; it's close between 4b/c and flat OOP if you have TT or AQ (though if villain was good I'd be happier 4b/calling those).
      09-28-2013 , 09:45 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Tarkyo
      Hand 1

      How will you play this hand?

      PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: $17.71 (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 13.64, Hands: 44)
      UTG: $11.65 (VPIP: 43.59, PFR: 41.03, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 39)
      CO: $7.89 (VPIP: 23.68, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 38)
      BTN: $10.79 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 24.62, 3Bet Preflop: 23.08, Hands: 65)
      Hero (SB): $19.61

      Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q Q

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.60

      Flop: ($1.80, 2 players) 2 6 6
      Hero bets $1.00, BB raises to $2.40, Hero calls $1.40

      Turn: ($6.60, 2 players) A
      Hero checks, BB checks

      River: ($6.60, 2 players) A
      Hero bets $2.00, BB calls $2.00
      I'm 4betting QQ BvB vs a 13% 3b personally
      09-28-2013 , 09:55 AM
      Not hitting silverstar this month, no time. With no time, should i play zoom? I can arrange 2-3 hour sessions, just not very often.
      Another non-profitable session. Spent some funds on R&D, not much but just shows how i can't have an upswing this month.

      h1: Gave it a chance that he was bluffing here.
      PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: $8.77 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
      UTG: $10.97 (VPIP: 23.46, PFR: 16.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 83)
      MP: $10.78 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
      Hero (CO): $11.69
      BTN: $20.13 (VPIP: 22.58, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 31)
      SB: $21.37 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 69)

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A T

      fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

      Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) 8 6 5
      Hero bets $0.40, BTN raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $3.50...

      h2: No idea on this one. This guy has some std donkey stats, playing too many hands, so it's kind of logical flop & turn?

      PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      CO: $22.94 (VPIP: 48.21, PFR: 35.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 59)
      BTN: $10.53 (VPIP: 11.84, PFR: 9.21, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 80)
      Hero (SB): $10.05
      BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 12.39, PFR: 11.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 116)
      UTG: $24.08 (VPIP: 23.29, PFR: 13.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)

      Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q K

      fold, CO raises to $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $0.90, fold, CO calls $0.60

      Flop: ($1.90, 2 players) K T 2
      Hero bets $1.00, CO calls $1.00

      Turn: ($3.90, 2 players) J
      Hero bets $1.90, CO calls $1.90

      River: ($7.70, 2 players) 8
      Hero checks, CO bets $3.00, fold

      CO wins $7.35

      h3: Maybe it's kind of easy fold spot, but have to do some R&D :P
      I check the spoiler and i don't get his play at all. A bit like the ppl calling 3-bets OOP w/ QQ AK.

      PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): $10.00
      SB: $6.30 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
      BB: $13.73 (VPIP: 24.32, PFR: 21.62, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 38)
      CO: $4.02 (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 12.07, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 59)

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 5 5

      fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 4 7 2
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.31, BB raises to $1.05, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $1.45

      Turn: ($5.65, 2 players) 8
      BB bets $4.05, fold

      Spoiler:
      BB shows A Q (High Card, Ace)
      BB wins $5.40
      09-28-2013 , 09:56 AM
      Hey guys, some tourney hands and a 10nl hand from tonight.

      Hand 1: Felt like I was behind after villain called the turn. Should we just be x/f river?

      PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (CO): $10.45
      BTN: $14.40 (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 25)
      SB: $9.90 (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
      BB: $12.28 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 23)
      UTG: $5.00 (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 11.34, 3Bet Preflop: 4.21, Hands: 251)
      MP: $5.15 (VPIP: 10.34, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A 7

      fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

      Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) 3 2 A
      Hero bets $0.50, BTN calls $0.50

      Turn: ($1.75, 2 players) 2
      Hero bets $1.00, BTN calls $1.00

      River: ($3.75, 2 players) Q
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.00

      Also, a couple of tourney hands. Standard in these spots?

      PokerStars - $3+$0.30|75/150 Ante 15 NL - Holdem - 8 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      SB: 3,010 (VPIP: 5.88, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
      BB: 10,037 (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
      UTG: 2,700 (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
      UTG+1: 1,220 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
      MP: 2,150 (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
      Hero (MP+1): 5,800
      CO: 14,404 (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 17)
      BTN: 15,369 (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)

      8 players post ante of 15, SB posts SB 75, BB posts BB 150

      Pre Flop: (pot: 345) Hero has A A

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 450, fold, BTN calls 450, fold, BB calls 300

      Flop: (1,545, 3 players) 5 7 2
      BB checks, Hero bets 1,050, fold, BB calls 1,050

      Turn: (3,645, 2 players) 6
      BB checks, Hero bets 1,950, BB raises to 4,350, Hero calls 2,335 and is all-in

      PokerStars - $3+$0.30|75/150 Ante 15 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      UTG+2: 3,220 (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      MP: 10,097 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      MP+1: 4,250 (VPIP: 53.85, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      CO: 5,495 (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      BTN: 3,495 (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 13)
      SB: 2,285 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      Hero (BB): 2,720
      UTG: 4,727 (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      UTG+1: 14,781 (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)

      9 players post ante of 15, SB posts SB 75, Hero posts BB 150

      Pre Flop: (pot: 360) Hero has A K

      fold, UTG+1 raises to 300, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 675, fold, Hero raises to 2,705 and is all-in, fold, BTN calls 2,030
      09-28-2013 , 10:05 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
      Dunna, that's a super-standard 4b/GII bvb; it's close between 4b/c and flat OOP if you have TT or AQ (though if villain was good I'd be happier 4b/calling those).
      Hmm, not sure I agree. At this level people don't adapt their ranges often positionally so I wouldn't expect him to 5bet GII with less than QQ+ & AK tbh.
      09-28-2013 , 10:06 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Fishtankz
      .
      H1: For this hand, although I feel like you're beat here most of the times with sets and overpairs, gonna just stove it. Seems like you're in front at this point though, so I guess we're getting the money in here? If anyone finds anything wrong with my range that I'm putting villain on lmk.
      ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
      35,640 trials (Exhaustive)
      board: 865
      Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
      AhTh53.93% 19,058324
      88-TT,55-66,KJs+,K9s,QJs,65s46.07% 16,258324

      H2: Bet bigger ott, x/f otr with a fish. Seems like an aggro fish here though, so he might have nuts or air most of the time in this spot.

      H3: def b/f flop. 3b flop is quite spewy.

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Tarkyo
      .
      QQ I'm gii.

      Well actually, for the AK hand, I've watched some videos on flop textures on CR, and I'm gonna have to check that flop. At unl from my experience, there's a lot of people spazzing around x/r on low, coordinated boards. Also, pretty much a very wide range can x/c this flop to see a turn card to draw to their flush or straights. If anyone wants to watch the video though, it's by Nikachu on CR. Pretty good stuff.

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Dunna100
      What do you guys do in this kind of situation.
      I'm not too sure about calling a 3b bvb oop though, I'd either 4b or fold here. Well in this case, I might 4b to $2.20 ish and if he shoves on top I'm folding most of the times

      Last edited by dillchips; 09-28-2013 at 10:17 AM.
      09-28-2013 , 10:08 AM
      @tankz:

      H1 is fine provided you're calling AI.
      H2 looks good.
      H3, cbet bigger, as played no point in ****ing around on this flop.

      @dill:

      H1 you have to call the river, you're chopping with all Ax apart from A3, AQ and AK and the last two mostly 3bet pre.
      H2 you want to work on your sizing, 3x is too big pre with an M of about 17, as played either bigger on the flop and shove the turn yourself or smaller on the flop and play 3 streets. As played it's a sigh-call assuming you're nowhere near the bubble.
      H3 is fine.
      09-28-2013 , 10:09 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Dunna100
      Hmm, not sure I agree. At this level people don't adapt their ranges often positionally so I wouldn't expect him to 5bet GII with less than QQ+ & AK tbh.
      So you're raise/4betting any trashy Ax or Kx right?
      09-28-2013 , 10:18 AM
      TDA, for H1, would you still be betting river if the board didn't pair with TPWK?
      09-28-2013 , 10:20 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by dillchips
      TDA, for H1, would you still be betting river if the board didn't pair with TPWK?
      I'm not betting either way. I'm either going to x/c (pretty much always when the board pairs), x/f (most of the time when it doesn't pair) or x/r (sometimes for ****s and giggles when the board doesn't pair).
      09-28-2013 , 10:42 AM
      I agree with h3. Maybe if the board was rainbow it could have been a 3b bluff spot? I have 3b some low rainbow flops this month with pretty good success rate.
      Any thoughts on the zoom vs normal tables? I want to play few tables and have no time to table select.
      09-28-2013 , 10:59 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Dunna100
      Hmm, not sure I agree. At this level people don't adapt their ranges often positionally so I wouldn't expect him to 5bet GII with less than QQ+ & AK tbh.
      If he doesn't GII wider than QQ+ Ak you make lots of money when he folds to 4bets.
      09-28-2013 , 11:11 AM
      I ****ing hate this game sometimes when a 90/70 keeps calling 4bets with 84 and 44 and hitting the board harder than Tyson. Down 150 for the day, EV must be somewhere around -10. Taking off for 2-3 weeks probably.
      09-28-2013 , 11:16 AM
      what is GII
      09-28-2013 , 11:19 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by asriva
      I ****ing hate this game sometimes when a 90/70 keeps calling 4bets with 84 and 44 and hitting the board harder than Tyson. Down 150 for the day, EV must be somewhere around -10. Taking off for 2-3 weeks probably.
      sorry to hear mate. Best off taking a break if your tilting hard. Just remember in all them situations you will win in the long run.

      GII = get it in

            
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