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09-20-2013 , 06:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
Ur gonna have to point them out for me as I don't think it's that bad given what villain turns up with
Ha, well maybe 50NL is several levels above me, but:
1. 4 betting with 55.
2. Calling a 4 bet with AQo.
3. Checking flop when you have 4 bet and have initiative.
4. Raising that flop when you have 55.
5. Betting all in on that turn when you have 55.

Oh, that's 5. Maybe at 50NL people rep hands they don't have more than the lower stakes.
But gamma has shown strength so this guy seems like he's spewing.
09-20-2013 , 06:27 PM
-he shouldn't 4bet pre. 55 has no blockers and is awful to play OOP when called.
-Xring Axx is a terrible way to get value. He should be going b/b/b w AK here so xring is either a draw or a bluff(a large %age of the time)
-Shipping turn is bad cause its a good card for my range. If i'm calling a Xr im not folding on a card which reduces the number of combos that beat me.
09-20-2013 , 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
2. Calling a 4 bet with AQo.
That's obviously not a mistake considering the results. We are deep so his continuance range is wider, I am IP and he 4bets a ******ed amount so by calling a 4bet Ip with AQo I basically own him.
09-20-2013 , 06:33 PM
Ah sorry, thought u meant mistakes by Hero!
09-20-2013 , 07:04 PM
ha probably should have been more clear in my OP.
09-20-2013 , 07:20 PM
H1 - Terribad shortstacker and hit and runner.

PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $16.00 (VPIP: 27.84, PFR: 22.16, 3Bet Preflop: 5.08, Hands: 200)
Hero (CO): $16.60
BTN: $17.17 (VPIP: 21.76, PFR: 16.03, 3Bet Preflop: 3.75, Hands: 273)
SB: $15.14 (VPIP: 47.62, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
BB: $6.40 (VPIP: 21.71, PFR: 19.41, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 314)

SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has J A

fold, Hero raises to $0.48, fold, fold, BB raises to $1.28, Hero calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.64, 2 players) 4 3 5
BB checks, Hero bets $1.44, BB raises to $5.12 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.68

Turn: ($12.88, 2 players) 4

River: ($12.88, 2 players) T

BB shows 6 3 (Two Pair, Fours and Threes) (Pre 33%, Flop 53%, Turn 64%)
Hero shows J A (One Pair, Fours) (Pre 67%, Flop 47%, Turn 36%)
BB wins $12.30


H2 - Had history with this guy.

PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): $25.11
CO: $16.00 (VPIP: 36.50, PFR: 19.50, 3Bet Preflop: 1.30, Hands: 204)
BTN: $59.64 (VPIP: 18.28, PFR: 13.65, 3Bet Preflop: 3.34, Hands: 1,230)
SB: $34.35 (VPIP: 57.84, PFR: 27.45, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 102)
BB: $16.00 (VPIP: 22.02, PFR: 17.43, 3Bet Preflop: 11.63, Hands: 111)

SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has A 5

Hero raises to $0.48, fold, fold, SB raises to $1.60, fold, Hero raises to $3.52, SB calls $1.92

Flop: ($7.20, 2 players) 5 J 9
SB checks, Hero bets $2.72, SB calls $2.72

Turn: ($12.64, 2 players) 4
SB checks, Hero bets $4.00, SB raises to $8.00, Hero calls $4.00

River: ($28.64, 2 players) 4
SB bets $20.11 and is all-in, Hero calls $10.87 and is all-in

SB shows A K (One Pair, Fours) (Pre 70%, Flop 20%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows A 5 (Two Pair, Fives and Fours) (Pre 30%, Flop 80%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins $48.88
09-21-2013 , 02:42 AM
A5 hand I really am not feeling too good about that river call
09-21-2013 , 03:20 AM
No reason to fold river after calling turn. Villain only reps JJ or really badly played overpair

Like OP said, they had history, altho just over 100 hands ain't much
09-21-2013 , 07:40 AM
Plus it's not 'history' when it's a 57/27, it's 'he's a spazz'.
09-21-2013 , 07:46 AM
Against a spazzmonkey, I play an even wider range than I do normally and get more aggressive preflop and hence get into more marginal spots later.

This hand occured sometime when I had around 40 hands on him (as opposed to what PT shows which is his stat at the end of sesh) and we had already engaged in 3-4 light 4b and 5bets pre, though none of them went to the flop.
09-21-2013 , 07:58 AM
You want to change your settings for PT then so it copies stats from the time of the hand.
09-21-2013 , 11:02 AM
Few more hands I'd like feedback on:

1) Not the best hand to use for a light 4bet but the guy had been a right 3bet monkey so far so I wanted to expand my bluff range a little. On the flop, is this a cbet or not?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $25.45 (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 26.32, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 19)
Hero (SB): $61.71
BB: $73.13 (VPIP: 29.35, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.43, Hands: 94)
UTG: $46.82 (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 28)
MP: $11.26 (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
CO: $22.88 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8 A

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $6.25, BB calls $3.75

Flop: ($12.50, 2 players) 2 T K
Hero bets $5.90, fold

Spoiler:
Hero wins $11.94


2) Line check? We can both have plenty of draws/bluffs on this board (though it's less likely he's floating without any history, this line is so often a flush draw), so the plan was to x/jam the turn. I wasn't sure about the river either - I figured my sizing left him room to spazz while getting value from sceptical Tx and draws that picked up a pair - I mean, my line looks pretty FoS.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $25.00 (VPIP: 20.22, PFR: 16.85, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 90)
Hero (SB): $50.70
BB: $23.92 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 14)
UTG: $25.00 (VPIP: 24.83, PFR: 17.93, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 153)
MP: $25.00 (VPIP: 17.81, PFR: 13.70, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 74)
CO: $29.71 (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 7 9

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50, 2 players) 9 T 9
Hero bets $0.94, BB raises to $2.75, Hero raises to $6.81, BB calls $4.06

Turn: ($15.12, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($15.12, 2 players) 3
Hero bets $4.81, BB calls $4.81

Spoiler:
Hero shows 7 9 (Three of a Kind, Nines) (Pre 31%, Flop 85%, Turn 95%)
BB mucks 7 T (Two Pair, Tens and Nines) (Pre 69%, Flop 15%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins $23.63


3) Pre and turn I'm interested in. I don't think 3b/c pre can be bad given stacks, but also given stacks he's likely to be bad. I would often call the river but he tanked exactly until his time bank started, so it looked a lot like fishy fake-tanking.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $36.76 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (SB): $30.32
BB: $24.65 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
UTG: $8.51
MP: $24.79 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: $11.75 (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has T T

UTG raises to $1.00, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.90, fold

Flop: ($2.25, 2 players) Q 7 Q
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

Turn: ($4.25, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

River: ($6.25, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, UTG bets $5.51 and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:
UTG wins $5.97


4) Another attempt to x/r the turn. Shortstack reg shouldn't have many pairs in his flop xb range, neither player should ever have a flush here and a lot of BTN's flop xb range will be Ax. It also is a non-standard value line so should encourage thinner calldowns. I guess neither player had anything though.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $13.12 (VPIP: 24.07, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 54)
SB: $45.83 (VPIP: 16.24, PFR: 15.81, 3Bet Preflop: 11.70, Hands: 238)
BB: $25.00 (VPIP: 32.43, PFR: 27.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)
UTG: $27.20 (VPIP: 17.80, PFR: 13.62, 3Bet Preflop: 5.03, Hands: 436)
MP: $27.03 (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 14.44, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 192)
Hero (CO): $45.80

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A K

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35, 3 players) 5 7 2
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($2.35, 3 players) A
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($2.35, 3 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets $1.18, fold, fold

Spoiler:
Hero wins $2.24


5) The turn call here is clearly an FTOP mistake but I really don't think I should be folding this ever, right?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $14.75 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.65, 3Bet Preflop: 7.32, Hands: 108)
Hero (SB): $31.00
BB: $47.88 (VPIP: 14.40, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.92, Hands: 130)
UTG: $45.58 (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 17.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 70)
MP: $24.65 (VPIP: 64.29, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
CO: $20.50 (VPIP: 23.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K K

UTG raises to $0.50, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.00, fold, UTG calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.25, 2 players) 3 5 K
Hero bets $2.67, UTG calls $2.67

Turn: ($9.59, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $6.04, UTG raises to $27.25, Hero calls $20.29 and is all-in

River: ($62.25, 2 players) 4

Spoiler:
Hero shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 81%, Flop 34%, Turn 23%)
UTG shows Q T (Flush, King High) (Pre 19%, Flop 66%, Turn 77%)
UTG wins $60.25
09-21-2013 , 01:30 PM
@TDA
H1: like ya said not the best hand to 4bet bu w/e ha. Cbet is fine.
H2: id continue betting on the turn. No need to get fancy. If you think he has a lot of draws in his range you want to make sure he doens't get a chance to realise his equity.
H3: i'd 3bet GII as standard.
H4: I'd just bet turn.
H5: FTOP?? never folding.
09-21-2013 , 07:05 PM
Is this standard here ? This was my first hand on the table fwiw

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $4.74 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
SB: $17.56 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 30)
Hero (BB): $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has J J

BTN raises to $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $1.00, BTN raises to $2.90, Hero raises to $8.80, BTN calls $1.84 and is all-in

Flop: ($9.53, 2 players) 6 7 T

Turn: ($9.53, 2 players) 2

River: ($9.53, 2 players) 7

Spoiler:
Hero shows J J (Two Pair, Jacks and Sevens) (Pre 18%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
BTN shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens) (Pre 82%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
BTN wins $9.10


Also, advice here ? Villain folds to 3b 83%

PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $19.22 (VPIP: 18.47, PFR: 14.94, 3Bet Preflop: 5.16, Hands: 860)
MP: $15.60 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: $25.35 (VPIP: 21.90, PFR: 15.56, 3Bet Preflop: 2.46, Hands: 348)
BTN: $16.72 (VPIP: 18.22, PFR: 13.68, 3Bet Preflop: 3.44, Hands: 1,256)
SB: $5.72 (VPIP: 47.37, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
Hero (BB): $18.00

SB posts SB $0.08, Hero posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.48, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.60, CO calls $1.12

Flop: ($3.28, 2 players) 3 J A

Hero ? x/f seems the best to me.

Last edited by asriva; 09-21-2013 at 07:10 PM.
09-21-2013 , 07:05 PM
H1: I'd just be waiting for a stronger hand here. That way when you 4b he'll think "Maybe he's getting sick of me" when realistically you're doing it with a super strong range.
As played it's ok.

H2: I'd usually take the line of Bet/Call, Check/call, Check/Jam here. Betting the turn is definitely a must though.

H3: I'd be tempted to just shove preflop given that he's so shortstacked. It's not like we have to worry about having 4 players behind us who will wake up with a hand since it's unlikely BB has much of anything. As played I'd be calling the river just since I'm a station and he's really polarized.

H4: Lead out on the turn. It's a good card for you to represent in the case that you don't have AK or Ax, so people would still probably call you with a hand like pocket 8's or something. If somebody did X/C the turn I'd be betting 1/5ths pot on the river. Price them in with their weaker pairs.

H5: NH.


Your bet sizing seems really small throughout these hands though. Don't be scared to make it 5/6th pot at times. Gets money in quicker, and if they float you on the flop and fold to bets on the turn you gain those few extra bb's which really add up in the end.
09-21-2013 , 09:10 PM
@asriva
H1: yeah JJ is fishpump vs 50bber
H2: XF seems good.
09-21-2013 , 09:52 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $3.39 (169.5 bb)
    SB: $4.95 (247.5 bb)
    BB: $4.52 (226 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $5.60 (280 bb)
    MP: $7.70 (385 bb)
    CO: $2 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9 8 K 7
    Hero raises to $0.07, MP folds, CO raises to $0.24, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.17

    Flop: ($0.51) J 7 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

    Turn: ($1.23) 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $1.19, Hero raises to $2.38, CO calls $0.21 and is all-in

    River: ($4.03) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Results: $4.03 pot ($0.13 rake)
    Final Board: J 7 8 9 3
    Hero showed 9 8 K 7 and won $3.90 ($1.90 net)
    CO showed 5 A A A and lost (-$2 net)




    Confirmed microstakes players overvalue AAxx.
    09-22-2013 , 07:08 AM
    IMO he had trips.

    Last edited by TheDefiniteArticle; 09-22-2013 at 07:08 AM. Reason: ;)
    09-22-2013 , 07:27 AM
    3 pair > trips.
    09-22-2013 , 08:34 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gamma001
    H5: FTOP?? never folding.
    Fundamental theorem of poker (if that was what u were asking?)

    Too hungover to play today, which is a shame as been on a decent little streak recently.

    My fcbet is at 46% over last 2k hands at 10nl Zoom which seems low, but it's definitely working!
    09-22-2013 , 10:14 AM
    Have had very little time to play recently, which is a trend that, sadly, I believe is going to continue for at least a couple of months. How do I best maximize my time? Does the ratio of studying to playing change?
    09-22-2013 , 10:22 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dunna100
    Fundamental theorem of poker (if that was what u were asking?)
    Cheers

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dunna100
    My fcbet is at 46% over last 2k hands at 10nl Zoom which seems low, but it's definitely working!
    Over 50% is too high. Mid 40s is just right IMO, WP

    @outatime
    It depends on what your looking to get from poker. If you want to make a decent amount of money in the future study as much as you can. Think of it like an investment.
    If on the other hand your playing casually just hoping to make a few quid well then if you want to play poker just play and study when you feel like it.

    In my case i'd like to study more than I am currently doing but i'm trying to get SN by the end of the year again.
    09-22-2013 , 10:47 AM
    Nah cbet depends on the stake. The less people cbet the more we should be folding as we don't have to worry about being exploited.
    09-22-2013 , 11:22 AM
    my cbet right now is 71% over 8k hands. FLOAT ME PLZ.
    09-22-2013 , 01:49 PM
    I always thought around 60% was generally seen as near optimal?

          
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