Can you explain to me how x/c 3 streets is a fancy line? Just seems like a bad one.

I thought he he'd perceive my range to be capped <TP, which would fold to a triple barrel. Obviously it's a bad line in retrospect, but I like experimenting with different plays to figure out what works and what doesn't at different limits.

Gives bluffy villains a chance to put in more money on the three streets left to play in spots where they're more likely to bet than call a bet themselves.

It's a line used in high stakes quite frequently. Less frequently at micros, but bluffing happens less frequently at the micros in general. It's a good line when you've got a solid read on Villain being bluffy when shown passiveness.

Given you do check you should def be calling down there though.

So you're wanting to make it look like you have a capped range at TP (and you probably cbet that board far too often for checking not to just look strange) when you have TP?

Villain is an uncreative reg, there are obviously merits to the line against certain types of villain but not here.

I dunno how people can say fold the river, the only thing that got there was like backdoor flushes. I really dunno what we expected villain to have though that x/c could be good.

Are we expecting him to go to town with like 99 or something? AQ is the only thing I see us beating that might bet 3 here.

I definitely agree here. I think there's only some microstake regulars that barrel off here with worse. I most see it being done by fish/aggrodonks playing 90/75 and use it mostly versus those sort of opponents.

How's the hand played below?





Called preflop since I was getting good odds. I need 27% equity to call, and versus a range of JJ+,AK I've got about 36% equity.

Flop is pretty good for my hand in the cases where he has AK or something. His bet sizing really confused me though. I'm unsure if he was making it so small to set up for a turn shove, or whether he didn't want to invest much with AK, or whether he expected me to spaz out against such a small bet. I was running pretty loose at the table (32/20-something with a 3bet% of a little over 10.0) so he probably saw me as a bit aggro.

Turn is a brick as well and he X's which makes no sense. I somewhat put him on AK, but if I bet I'm pretty much either shoving or checking. I don't think I get called by worse on the turn ever, despite my hand looking bluffy as though I've simply floated. Maybe he expected me to shove here after "floating" the flop, and thus checked to trap? Either way the way the hand has played out has been pretty confusing. I elected to check...

...and hit the gin card on the river. Again, his bet sizing is confusing too but I don't think I could ever just call here (with the second nuts, why would I?). So I ship it in, hoping he's seriously butchered QQ - AA or something.

As played, where could you guys find improvements? Should preflop be a 5bet or fold versus an unknown, and is calling ever a bad idea?

@Dunna - Finished watching the video, couldnt get to it earlier because of unavoidable stuff.

1. Insta mark limpers and people with stacks less than 40bb as fishes.

2. Its been mentioned in the previous video review of yours as well, you tend to round out bets with big hands most of the time. Unlikely anyone catches on at these stakes though.

06:20 - Why 3bet KTs here ? Make it 9x if you do 3bet.
07:00 - 88 c/r on J52tt accomplishes nothing.
15:55 - Bet turn. If checked on turn, thoughts on river bet ?
17:32 - No point 3betting otf though I'm not sure what line to take here.
18:21 - Bad flop to cbet. As played, bet river.
18:45 - Guy open shoves, mark him/take a note.
19:06 - cbet JT oop on AK5tt doesnt seem good.
20:35 - 3bet QQ ! Huge value.
27:24 - Why open A2s UTG ?
31:56 - Bet turn, missing value otherwise.
32:52 - Open K7o from CO ?
40:13 - Reraising KQ for value or bluff ? Because it does neither imo.
43:08 - Bet bigger ott. Thoughts on jamming river ?
44:00 - Not a fan of cbetting here. definitely giving up ott.
49:59 - Raise flop or call flop, reraise smallish ott.


Also, how do you get 66% for betsize in the client ? I searched but only get it in increments of 5 i.e. 65,70,75...

If we're still talking about the KT hand, people like barrelling off when hero caps their range.

Thoughts on river?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $9.10
SB: $7.34 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (BB): $5.33
UTG: $8.33 (VPIP: 4.17, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
MP: $4.49 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: $2.23 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 3 3

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.10, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.20, 2 players) A 3 J
SB checks, Hero bets $0.12, SB calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.44, 2 players) 9
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, SB raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.30

River: ($1.64, 2 players) J
SB bets $1.55,

I don't really understand why you aren't trying to GII on the turn. As played shove river. Sure he has AJ/99 sometimes, but he also calls you with like AK, AQ, any flush. And tbh I think AJ raises the flop a fair bit of the time and AA like always does.

Man you know sometimes things just aren't going your way.
Bad beats ruining my sessions.

1. vs. a nit. Fist pump call especially when I see his hand.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $4.65 (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BTN: $4.00 (VPIP: 11.96, PFR: 9.78, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 92)
Hero (SB): $6.19
BB: $3.59 (VPIP: 26.53, PFR: 26.53, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 50)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has K K

fold, BTN raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, BTN calls $0.28

Flop: ($0.84, 2 players) 4 3 5
Hero bets $0.72, BTN raises to $3.60 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.88

Turn: ($8.04, 2 players) Q

River: ($8.04, 2 players) 8



2. vs. an utter donk happily donating to everyone at the table.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $4.00 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
CO: $3.01 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BTN: $2.47 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (SB): $4.00
BB: $6.34 (VPIP: 34.67, PFR: 6.87, 3Bet Preflop: 1.95, Hands: 963)
UTG: $4.00 (VPIP: 12.77, PFR: 10.64, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 142)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has K A

fold, fold, CO calls $0.04, BTN calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, CO calls $0.16, fold

Flop: ($0.48, 2 players) T 5 8
Hero bets $0.33, CO calls $0.33

Turn: ($1.14, 2 players) A
Hero bets $0.64, CO calls $0.64

River: ($2.42, 2 players) 2
Hero bets $1.84, CO calls $1.84

Let's think of Baluga here for a second. I get raised on the turn, so I "should strongly re-evaluate the strength of my one pair hands". Let's assume I had a one pair hand, like AK. What hands can he have that beat AK? Sets, AJ, A9 and J9. When that J hits on the river, it doesn't matter if I have AK or 33 for bottom set. All of the hands that were ahead of AK on the turn that will pot this river are now ahead of 33 as well (A9 just lost it's second pair and became tpnk, so I'm assuming it doesn't play river like that). In other words, all hands he raised on the turn for value now beat bottom set. Occasionally he could perhaps have the flush here, but I don't see people raising the turn with flush draws very often. If most of his value hands beat me, I have a bluff catcher. Why would you want me to raise the river with a bluff catcher?

Yes but you prob wouldn't be folding AK on that turn, just being cautious. Seriously, that turn is a mandatory 3bet.

You need to stop being paranoid. I'm guessing you're being even more paranoid right now because you've just moved up.

Also bet bigger, you're missing out on so much value. Make it like 17c otf.

Probably not, but would you call the river bet with AK?

I'm not being paranoid, I'm trying to read villain's hand here. Name one hand that

a) doesn't cbet the flop
and
b) raises turn for value
and
c) pots the river for value
and
d) loses to bottom set

The fundamental flaw you're making is assuming he is doing it for value only.

MMSS told me to shove river. If that is to be profitable I have to assume he is doing it for value with a hand worse than 33. Which hands are those?

MMSS is right when he says you should shove river. You get value when you shove from flushes and two pairs, maybe some weirdly played Jx. Remember its blind vs blind play so ranges are much more wide.

No, you have to assume that worse will call, which they will.

Following your logic you have to shove every hand because if you're doing it with a hand better than the worst hand in your range then you need to shove the one worse than it.

I don't know what logic you read in there, but my point was that if I assume that worse will call, then I must first assume he is valuebetting a worse hand. If he is bluffing, he will not call a shove and raising is pointless.

So once again, what worse hands is he betting for value there? AK/AQ would cbet that flop close to 100% of the time. If they don't, it's a really passive player who wouldn't suddenly start shoveling money into the pot ott and otr, especially not when the river pairs the board and brings a third club. That leaves flushes. How many combos of those do you see calling the flop and raising the turn?

I was under the impression that XC-XR-B is about the strongest line a villain can take and that they usually have what they represent when they take a line like that. I'm just curious why the fact that I have bottom set ott would suddenly put lots of bluffs and weirdly played second pairs into villains range?

Ye sorry misread your post.

I said in my first post the hands that will call the rive shove.. Don't you think AJ would cbet this flop close to 100% too then? He could easily have been bluffing with a flush draw on the turn, or picked up a flush draw on the turn and have like Acxc.

You're basically assuming that villain has AJ, AA, JJ or 99 100% of the time which just isn't even close to being true.

Also let's not forget you're playing 5nl, some of the time he doesn't realise A9 is no longer good on the river. I had someone the other day call two bets on the turn and river on a like 77993 board with 22 and from his stats he looked non-idiotic.

I know where you're coming from, but this villain is a fish, and fish do very... VERY odd things at times.
Presuming he's a fish anyway. Any reg who's opening to 2x in SB at ZOOM is easily exploitable and should know that. By now I'd presume the majority of decent players aren't checking the auto-fold button when in the BB, and if you are you shouldn't be. So I presume this is a fish who just wanted to raise and has no understanding of sizes. His turn min-raise reinforces the idea that he's a fish too.

Could a fish play AA - JJ like this? Oh yeah. He could also play a flush like this too.

As played I'd be shoving the river, but I wouldn't always be discounting a value range of hands that has ours beat by the river.

Not assuming he has those 100% of the time, in that case I would have folded. But you are assuming that he calls a shove with a worse hand more often that he has a bigger boat. That part I'm not very sure of. Is your opinion based on actual observations of people taking this line and calling a shove with worse hands in similar spots or is it based on "lulz this is 5nl and i haz set"? It's simply not very consistent with my observations that villain would have a weak hand here that frequently.

AK, AQ, probably don't fold. Jx doesn't fold. Any flush doesn't fold. That's a lot more combos than AJ, AA, JJ & 99 and that's before we add in random **** that calls like KK and QQ because it's 5NL.