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Definitely worth subscribing to and shouting at me if I don't keep up to date!

It's funny, because TinyPic gave me the captcha "Tissue Box".

Hope it's not trying to point me towards anything.

So close to 25nl so close.....

Forget the rest of that post, filters were messed up. The "junk hand" sample also included all hands that didn't go to showdown. The real sample of non premium hands at showdown when 4bet UTG/MP is <20%. As it turns out, UTG/MP 4bet has been AK/KK+ 75% of the time so far at uNL ZOOM (with way more weight on KK+ than AK). If I add QQ and AQ it goes up to 80%, not many people 4bet those. So giving villain a default range of KK+/AK will not be very far off.

This analysis will of course still be skewed as the sample size is not that big and people are also more likely to get to showdown with their premium hands. But still, 5betting QQ 100bb+ deep vs UTG 4bet would be a big mistake imo.

Do you still think calling is a good idea though? If so I want you to really explain why. (assuming you want to)

100bb deep calling with QQ becomes very questionable actually. The hand I posted above was 300bb deep, which makes setmining a viable option when we are in position.

3bet/folding QQ 100bb deep sounds really nitty, but apparently that might be the right thing to do. 3betting is still correct, because they flat oop way more often than they 4bet.

More detailed explanations needed.

fwiw calling is pretty bad in both situations there are just much better hands to play postflop for QQ to be a hand we are thinking about playing due to being deep against a range of AK+, KK+. Where we can actually have hands which flop equity and have blockers. You need to construct scenarios to see how best to create your range when you expect certain conditions to be met.

100bb deep we really need a major read for flatting a 4bet w/ QQ to be profitable and once again it's ranges that are much more important in reality anyway.

ranges >>>>>>>>>

Some seriously maniac fish around in my last session.
Pretty much every other orbit you'd get an open raise, a call, and a 3 bet all in.
With hands like TT which would be called by KQo and the like.

Standard here, but cheers iPoker! Didn't have many hands on this villain but he donked flop every opportunity he got.
Should have raised flop I suppose.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $2.00 (VPIP: 16.59, PFR: 13.36, 3Bet Preflop: 3.90, Hands: 227)
BTN: $11.56 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
SB: $0.99 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (BB): $4.00
UTG: $5.06 (VPIP: 20.82, PFR: 12.65, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, Hands: 253)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has J J

UTG raises to $0.12, fold, BTN calls $0.12, fold, Hero calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.38, 3 players) 3 9 2
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets $0.26, Hero calls $0.26, fold

Turn: ($0.90, 2 players) K
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.63, Hero calls $0.63

River: ($2.16, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.51, Hero calls $1.51



Don't think I can fold 22 to a small 3bet from someone who has done it 3 times out of 6.
Semi bluff raised flop probably never getting a fold tbh so no fold equity.
But wtf was he doing on the turn?
I suppose that's how aggro donks win their money!

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $4.00
SB: $3.57 (VPIP: 58.33, PFR: 41.67, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 12)
BB: $3.34 (VPIP: 46.78, PFR: 14.59, 3Bet Preflop: 3.09, Hands: 242)
UTG: $4.00 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 12.86, 3Bet Preflop: 1.69, Hands: 141)
CO: $4.36 (VPIP: 25.45, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 11.54, Hands: 57)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has 2 2

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.10, SB raises to $0.16, fold, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.36, 2 players) 4 6 3
SB bets $0.16, Hero raises to $0.42, SB calls $0.26

Turn: ($1.20, 2 players) 5
SB bets $2.99, Hero calls $2.99

River: ($7.18, 2 players) J

subbed, shout out pending

cool chart, eh?

Actually forgot about this, il take a look tonight or tomorrow.

Thanks very much.

Quality isn't great so can email a zip file if anyone would like.

Appreciate the help.

Was actually reviewing it myself yesterday and noticed a fair few mistakes. Never actually reviewed my own play like that before, may do it more often

Can you give the link of this video for me to look at?

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I kind of want to watch it but squinting to see stats when I don't know what they mean anyway for 50minutes doesn't seem like fun.

I always think videos like that should be 30mins max. Takes a long time to go through it.

^^ i'm sure dunna will email you the higher quality zip like he said and you don't have to watch the whole thing. Even a review of the first 15 min would be helpful.

edit: change settings to Hd and its fine.

Making notes dunna - will post when done.
These things need to be 1hr as nothing much happens for ages.
Just had a rough session.
Loads of aggro donks raising with TP crappy kicker and also the nuts, hard to know which was which.

This donk limp called every hand pretty much. One of those you want to bet bet bet against.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $4.08 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 10.42, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
MP: $5.43 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 18.05, 3Bet Preflop: 5.69, Hands: 346)
CO: $2.58 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BTN: $8.71 (VPIP: 76.19, PFR: 26.98, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 67)
Hero (SB): $5.38
BB: $5.21 (VPIP: 23.21, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 119)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.16, fold, BTN calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.36, 2 players) 8 9 2
Hero bets $0.25, BTN calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.86, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $0.60, BTN calls $0.60

River: ($2.06, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $1.44, BTN calls $1.44



Same villain. This is what we're up against.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $4.14 (VPIP: 18.60, PFR: 11.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
UTG: $5.49 (VPIP: 23.42, PFR: 18.32, 3Bet Preflop: 5.74, Hands: 341)
MP: $2.55 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: $9.52 (VPIP: 74.14, PFR: 25.86, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 62)
Hero (BTN): $4.00
SB: $5.66 (VPIP: 23.36, PFR: 18.69, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 114)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has 8 Q

fold, fold, CO calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, CO calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.30, 2 players) 3 6 8
CO checks, Hero bets $0.16, CO calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.62, 2 players) 3
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.62, 2 players) 7
CO checks, Hero checks



Interedasting...he's risking what to win what? Another aggro donk.

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $4.75
UTG: $13.07 (VPIP: 45.00, PFR: 21.67, 3Bet Preflop: 17.39, Hands: 62)
MP: $4.77 (VPIP: 18.03, PFR: 14.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 65)
CO: $5.00 (VPIP: 20.96, PFR: 17.90, 3Bet Preflop: 6.41, Hands: 237)
BTN: $6.20 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 49)
SB: $5.02 (VPIP: 27.04, PFR: 22.45, 3Bet Preflop: 7.35, Hands: 201)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has 9 3

UTG calls $0.04, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.10, 2 players) Q 3 T
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($0.10, 2 players) A
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($0.10, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG bets $13.03, fold



Fold equity? What's that?

iPoker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $4.00
UTG: $7.15 (VPIP: 52.38, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 27.27, Hands: 21)
MP: $4.07 (VPIP: 38.10, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 21)
CO: $5.75 (VPIP: 21.58, PFR: 18.42, 3Bet Preflop: 6.15, Hands: 196)
BTN: $5.25 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 8)
SB: $5.22 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 25.64, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 161)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has 9 T

UTG raises to $0.08, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.18, 2 players) 2 4 J
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.12, Hero raises to $0.32, UTG calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.82, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $0.48, UTG calls $0.48

River: ($1.78, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG checks

Hand 2 value bet turn.

Hand 3 he probably has the nuts (or what he perceives to be the nuts) and wants to make it look really bluffy.

Hand 4 Unless he's cbetting a lot I don't really see the point in raising, we basically have a set or flush draw and he likely calls too wide and doesn't cbet enough. That 4 just makes your range weaker and doesn't scare villain at all so there's probably not a huge amount of point in betting. Especially due to the fact that if we check we likely get a free card which is always nice and if he bets we can be pretty sure we're beat. However that's assuming he's passive.

Also I think folding pre isn't bad, but if you can properly justify calling then I doubt it's horrible.

small laptop screen is small

ugh, its frustrating how few FR tables there are on wpn. Since when does everyone play 6 max?

nearly called it quits for the night after 600 hands lol

Since people realised 6max is much more entertaining

BR-83

Back at the 5NL grind. Trying to build a roll on Bovada while I get back in the swing of things. NJ is gonna have online poker soon and I want my game to be sharp. Deposited 60 and got 10 bonus so +3 BI over a small sample.

lol reg wars.

BTN: $54.19 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 11.0, Hands: 138
SB: $47.01 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 23, 3B: 8, AF: 0.3, Hands: 30
BB: $25.25 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 21, 3B: 9, AF: 3.1, Hands: 955
UTG: $127.62 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 22, 3B: 14, AF: 2.6, Hands: 521
MP: $97.93 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 21
Hero (CO): $109.09 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3.3, Hands: 414193

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 4 A
UTG raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($3.75) J 3 7 (2 players)
UTG bets $2.00, Hero raises to $7, UTG raises to $20.50, Hero calls $13.50

Turn: ($44.75) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets $25.00, Hero raises to $87.09, UTG calls $62.09

River: ($218.93) J (2 players)

Final Pot: $218.93
UTG shows T K
Hero shows 4 A
Hero wins $108.22
Hero wins $108.21
(Rake: $2.50)

The joys of having notes. Had a not saying small = strong, he's an aggro monkey and nothing makes sense raising this board.

Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -
BTN: $54.42 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 25, 3B: 11, AF: 10.3, Hands: 329
Hero (SB): $374.89 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3.3, Hands: 414193
BB: $88.90 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 13, AF: 1.6, Hands: 370
UTG: $24.14 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 2.1, Hands: 254
MP: $66.63 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 20, 3B: 10, AF: 3.4, Hands: 1360
CO: $51.50 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 23, 3B: 8, AF: 0.3, Hands: 30

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with A J
3 folds, BTN raises to $1, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BTN calls $3

Flop: ($8.50) 4 2 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.00, BTN raises to $50.42, Hero calls $45.42

Turn: ($109.34) 4 (2 players)

River: ($109.34) 6 (2 players)

Final Pot: $109.34
BTN shows T 9
Hero shows A J
Hero wins $106.84
(Rake: $2.50)

Ughh HU in the 600 GTD:



Almost folded too so I was excited I had the right idea on his range. Also lost AA<33 earlier in the tournament. Overall running great though obv.

Must have put me on 65o.

@Gamma, H1, wtf is he calling there for, if you know?
H2, I prob fold even with your note because I wouldn't be surprised to see AQdd or AKdd with his line and we're never more than 70%-ish really. Some bad regs will even spazz jam like 77 there because they don't want to have to deal with OCs.