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River semibluff shove spot in 5nl River semibluff shove spot in 5nl

02-17-2022 , 05:46 PM
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GG Poker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players

CO: 118.6 BB
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 102.4 BB
BB: 168.4 BB
UTG: 114.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Kc Jh
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop : (6.4 BB, 2 players) Ks 5d 9h
BB bets 3.2 BB, Hero calls 3.2 BB

Turn : (12.8 BB, 2 players) 2d
BB bets 15.6 BB, Hero calls 15.6 BB

River : (44 BB, 2 players) 5h
BB bets 32.2 BB, Hero raises to 78.2 BB and is all-in, BB calls 46 BB

Hero shows Kc Jh (Two Pair, Kings and Fives)
(Pre 73%, Flop 28%, Turn 14%)

BB shows Kd 5c (Full House, Fives full of Kings)
(Pre 27%, Flop 72%, Turn 86%)

BB wins 189.6 BB
Wondering how I could've played this better.

In retrospect, Villain has all the two pairs in his range, and the river shove was really poor. Maybe I should've been suspicous when he called the turn bet.

He's not calling me with much except Kx, since AK would've probably been 3bet preflop. That's my conclusion that I came to after the hand was over.
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02-17-2022 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by pflop
Wondering how I could've played this better.

In retrospect, Villain has all the two pairs in his range, and the river shove was really poor. Maybe I should've been suspicous when he called the turn bet.

He's not calling me with much except Kx, since AK would've probably been 3bet preflop. That's my conclusion that I came to after the hand was over.
First off, you can't semibluff on the river. A semibluff is where you are certainly behind, but have outs to win - like a flush or straight draw. On the river, you have what you have.

Secondly, not sure why you say he called the turn bet - according to the history, he was the one who bet the turn.

As for the hand, you have a decent hand, but shoving the river is only going to get worse hands to fold and better hands to call. He is leading into the preflop raiser on 3 streets - this is pretty strong. I'm not saying that you need to immediately fold - but you definitely need to proceed with caution. On the river, you certainly have showdown value - no need to raise.
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02-17-2022 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by VBAces
First off, you can't semibluff on the river. A semibluff is where you are certainly behind, but have outs to win - like a flush or straight draw. On the river, you have what you have.

Secondly, not sure why you say he called the turn bet - according to the history, he was the one who bet the turn.

As for the hand, you have a decent hand, but shoving the river is only going to get worse hands to fold and better hands to call. He is leading into the preflop raiser on 3 streets - this is pretty strong. I'm not saying that you need to immediately fold - but you definitely need to proceed with caution. On the river, you certainly have showdown value - no need to raise.
Sorry, I'm still pretty new and reading the hand histories can get pretty muddled.

And yeah, I misspoke, I guess I meant bluff, not semibluff.

Thanks for the analysis, I suppose I thought he was toying with me, since I didn't really see much that I was beat by.
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02-17-2022 , 11:41 PM
Even if you think you're good, if he has trash he's going to fold it when you jam. So you can just call if you think he's bluff heavy and without particular reads I definitely prefer calling to jamming.

I would actually be suspicious and even consider folding when he overbets the turn pending reads. But your hand makes much more sense to just call down and use as a bluffcatcher rather than trying to use it as some very advanced weird bluff.
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02-18-2022 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
Even if you think you're good, if he has trash he's going to fold it when you jam. So you can just call if you think he's bluff heavy and without particular reads I definitely prefer calling to jamming.

I would actually be suspicious and even consider folding when he overbets the turn pending reads. But your hand makes much more sense to just call down and use as a bluffcatcher rather than trying to use it as some very advanced weird bluff.
Yeah this makes sense. I actually didn’t think I was good, which is why I jammed. But in this spot, he is never calling with worse hands, right? Which is why it makes more sense to just call since I have showdown value.

I definitely should’ve been more cautious after the turn overbet but I guess I didn’t give him too much credit for it. I should probably take my opponents raises more seriously.
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02-19-2022 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by pflop
Yeah this makes sense. I actually didn’t think I was good, which is why I jammed. But in this spot, he is never calling with worse hands, right? Which is why it makes more sense to just call since I have showdown value.

I definitely should’ve been more cautious after the turn overbet but I guess I didn’t give him too much credit for it. I should probably take my opponents raises more seriously.
There's an old saying about typical players in the micros: When you raise preflop, the main hand they put you on is AK.

It's simplistic, sure, but after you raise pre and he donks that flop, then overbet donks the turn, he's screaming "please keep calling with AK".

At some point, the red alert siren has to go off in your head.

You win at the micros by identifying the guy who can't fold top pair and feasting on him. Don't be that guy.
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02-19-2022 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurn, son of Mogh
There's an old saying about typical players in the micros: When you raise preflop, the main hand they put you on is AK.

It's simplistic, sure, but after you raise pre and he donks that flop, then overbet donks the turn, he's screaming "please keep calling with AK".

At some point, the red alert siren has to go off in your head.

You win at the micros by identifying the guy who can't fold top pair and feasting on him. Don't be that guy.
Good example. I don’t want to be the reason that people sit at my table.

Thanks for the advice
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02-22-2022 , 11:52 AM
Absent any reads villain is a maniac, I'm probably folding turn. Villain may donk twice with a worse Kx but doubt we'd see an overbet in this case. I'd be very suspicious of a flopped set (think we'll see 99 in quite a lot of players BB flatting range at these stakes).

At 5nl I just wouldn't worry about bluff catching triple-barrels against unknown villains - you'll be exploiting the population by over folding in these spots (or at least that's how it was a few years back, can't see it having changed massively). There are definitely spots where we can find bluff river raises but I'd want to know it's a reg who is somewhat thinking about ranges, or a recreational player where we have some specific reads. But in general it's probably a solid plan not to bluff catch against strong aggression, and not to bluff raise rivers.
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