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right play or tilt? right play or tilt?

07-18-2009 , 03:14 AM
I think i could have folded instead of going all in. looking back i was tilting a little and was trying to force something to happen.He could have Ak,kk,with the reraise. Or was it the right play to push with top pair with a ok kicker?

Thanks!

How do you go back on post your hand history? i accidentally forgot to post it. and cant find where to upload it in the "edit" function.
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07-18-2009 , 03:19 AM
Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $1.97
BTN: $1.95
SB: $2.11
BB: $2.64
UTG: $2.04
Hero (UTG+1): $2.47
UTG+2: $0.80
MP1: $2.63
MP2: $0.76

UTG+2 posts a big blind ($0.02)

Pre Flop: ($0.05) Hero is UTG+1 with Q K
UTG calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, UTG+2 checks, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, 2 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.11) 6 K 9 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.11, Hero calls $0.11, UTG+2 folds, CO raises to $0.44, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero raises to $2.45 all in, CO calls $1.51 all in

Turn: ($4.12) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($4.12) Q (2 players - 2 are all in)

this is the 2nd time this i for got to click "convert hand history" and didnt know how to go back and post it in the orginal post. sorry about that.
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07-18-2009 , 03:46 AM
Fold preflop.
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07-18-2009 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by push / shove
Raise preflop.
fyp
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07-18-2009 , 04:28 AM
Making a habit of raising preflop in early position with KQo is a sure way to burn a hole in your pocket.
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07-18-2009 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by push / shove
Making a habit of raising preflop in early position with KQo is a sure way to burn a hole in your pocket.
You're right the sharks at 2nl will 3bet you light every time.
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07-18-2009 , 04:57 AM
You don't have to get 3 bet for the hand to be a losing proposition. You definitely don't want action with it, but you can't play pot control either since you're out of position. If your range includes KQo you're probably playing too many hands in ep which is -EV.
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07-18-2009 , 05:03 AM
a fold pre flop would make life easier , however his range should include hands that you are beating
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07-18-2009 , 05:13 AM
Just noticed this wasnt 6 max, but I still think any coherent player could profitably play kqo at 2nl from any position. Could obv make a case for folding pre and is 100% the safer play, but by raising he's isolating the complete garbage that can outflop him, and probably (definitely at 2nl) going to get action from hands he has crushed, plus he finds out where he's at preflop if he does get 3 bet by co.
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07-18-2009 , 05:29 AM
Yeah, in 6max a raise to open it up is standard. At a bigger table I wouldn't advise it because then that means you're also probably regularly raising with hands like A10, 88 etc. and that can't be good for your overall money line.
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07-18-2009 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by push / shove
Fold preflop.

Are you serious? This is a clear raise preflop at this level. I would never check QKo preflop at 0.01/0.02.
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07-18-2009 , 09:55 AM
PF folding=raising>calling

Flip a coin. I would raise half the time and fold half the time in this situation. I would never call. Bad position and too many people behind you.

If it was 6 max, or it was suited, it would be a definite raise.


Of course, this is all based on the fact that we are at 2nl. There is no value in running bluffs at this level. You need the better hand. KQ makes some nice TP hands, but if 5 ppl see the flop, 1 pair isn't a monster.
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07-18-2009 , 01:27 PM
fold preflop. playing KQo UTG+1 in a full ring game is just not a standard play, 2nl or not. unless you flop a monster, reverse implied odds will hunt you. trust me, if you're good enuf to out play multiple opponents out of position and escape unharmed from dominated hands often enuf to show +EV playing KQo from UTG+1, we wouldn't need to discuss this hand right now.

as played, fold to the CO's raise. with a bet and a caller, what do you think CO is raising with on such a dry board? even if CO has been a complete spew monkey and raising in a multi-way pot with a wide range of hands, BB has yet to act and we don't really know what UTG has. while it's unlikely that someone has AK here, in a multi-way limped pot, it's common for someone to hit a two pair. without great reads to justify the situation, shoving here as we did is just horrible.
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07-18-2009 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by OriginalPunk
trust me, if you're good enuf to out play multiple opponents out of position and escape unharmed from dominated hands often enuf to show +EV playing KQo from UTG+1, we wouldn't need to discuss this hand right now.
And even so, if you're looking to hit big or fold postflop you're much better off playing a hand like 45s. With KQ even if you hit two pair and get action you can't be too comfortable. The small pots you lose + the big pots you lose will end up being greater than the medium sized pots you occasionally win.
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07-18-2009 , 05:34 PM
hum trickey one here, i dont like the call preflop at all, i would tend just to fold KQ as your ealry position, you definatly dont want to see a flop multi way.

on the flop my experiance of the small stakes is that they will call your all in with alot worst then KQ, i think alot of people at 2nl will stack off with and king, most 9's and even something like QJ or TJ, as well as QQ, JJ, TT. by that point you have already made the mistake and you just gotta push your money in and cross your fingers.
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07-19-2009 , 12:48 AM
How is calling/raising with KQ offsuit a bad call? I do know its early, typically utg +1-3 I only raise with a few polarized hands and would call with a hand like KQ offsuit in this situation. What is the range here, only the top 5ish% of hands, 6-6+ A-J+? I do understand that KQ can be dominated in many ways, but that's where I guess live poker from internet i get lost, I can win live, but not online. Also its not like every time you get a hand like KQ you are going to be dominated, but yes you do have less information on what type of action is going to happen.

Last edited by jay94; 07-19-2009 at 12:54 AM. Reason: added more reasoning, behind crappy logic i guess.
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