10bb/100 actually. I know ur only trying to help, but all u say is raise 1010 preflop 4 handed because ehhh. Yeah raise 1010 preflop 4 handed. U have no logic or nothing and ive been playing 2nl for a week or so now and I know these hands are bad news vs 2nl player types. I know there is no value in raising preflop short handed. yes this play is 100% +EV FR or 6mx, not 4 handed.

wow a whole 5 maybe if you raised you medium pocket pairs it would be more like 10+

aryt ill try to explain my thought process.

If i dont raise pre, 4 handed at 2nl holding 10,10 I therefore limp, because folding isnt an option. If a player raises behind me after I limp, I know that the majority of the time they have a hand. So, I can 3-bet to get more money out there or just flat call. If i 3 bet i lose alot of customers here, so i just call to see a flop. it goes to the flop and its lyk a 9 high rainbow board. If im OOP, I check and I swear, lyk 80% they c-bet dry flops. Here I can raise or call, folding isnt correct. If I raise and they do have air, I lose my customer, so I call. At this point, 99% of 2nl players give up with air, so I bet the turn to take the pot or even get called by something wacky. If im IP, I check behind on the flop and hope I dont see an over, if i dont, a bunch of 2nl players will bet half the pot or so, with complete air or something really random. Mostly I call here because there isnt much value in raising coz im beat everytime they call. I make more that way, than by raising, then checking or opening post flop, simply because of the predictability of the players at my stakes. They're europeans, quite robotic and by no means push overs like the american breed on FTP or PS.

If i limp and nobody raises i get action on all kinds of boards with all kinds of pairs and gut shot o/e's etc. all that is folded out when i raise and because it 4 handed, its is unlikely a player with flop TPTK or trips when i limp everytime with a B-range hand like 10,10.

Ok I guess you know everything there is to know about 2NL, you're right, I'm wrong, I have no logic, may you spread your 2NL wisdom to the rest of the poker community so we can all crush 2NL like you

Teach me more plz

This is not meant to be an insult, but you should really consider going back to playmoney for a few thousand hands, you can start at 5/10 and then move to 100/200 and see how it goes, maybe go back to 2NL once you have made a million at play money or something.

Either that is an insane level, or you are a Facebook poker reg who has been playing for 3 days at most..

u just think im wrong wen really its u who hasnt a clue. I really cant see any better way to play the hand, someone respectable comes in here and explains to me, y i am wrong, i will happily accept and still limp 10,10 4 handed.

I have no clue yet I already went through 2NL long time ago, I wonder how did that happen? maybe it was just luck.

For what it's worth, If I were beating 2NL at 5bb/100, I would not even consider moving up for a long ass time.

As far as you accepting what people tell you as advice? I don't really care. You can go ahead and limp with TT all you want. After all, it is players like you who keep the poker economy flowing and sign our paychecks sir. So I appreciate it and thank you

I actually worked it out again and it turns out i was incorrect in my calculation.

I played two 4 hour sessions. One from 4am until 8am and one from 2 am to 6am.

I played between 8 to 14 tables averaging 10 tables. I won $30 in those two sessions.

I won $30 over around 6000 hands at 2nl.

$30/$0.02 = 1500 bb's

1500/(6000/100) = 1500/60 = 25

bb/100 = 25

u obv didnt even read the thread sir. I only limp 'em 4 handed minus. This thread is about 4 handed 2nl okay.

lol @ Telford09

lol i actually admit looking back and reading thru the thread, all my statements are precieved wrongly. I am rubbish at explaining wat i mean and it looks bad, but i know 100% that I make more money by limping pocket 10's at a 4-handed 2nl online poker table.(like there wud be 2nl live)

i just sat and typed my full thought process all properly and everything and my browser just closed itself. I fkcin hate this site sometimes, there are so many glitches, like when im typin it skips up top n i realise 500 words later.

+1 Sorry OP but he def jacked your thread.

Pretty good stuff here.

For the hand, I like checking flop too. You aren't taking the pot down on this flop ever, and when you get called and check the turn, you induce bluffs which may price you out of the pot. Check flop, hope they don't bet too big, and try and draw to your OESD profitably.

ok. real simple.

I raise 10,10 four handed they fold alot of different cards lower than 10, that I want action from. Probz including most s/c or just connectors. If I limp i get alot action value betting against those type of hands post flop.

I know u lot are tryin to say raise preflop because u want to build a pot, but all players at 2nl will raise with the hands I usually play tens against preflop anyway.

By limping 4 handed, I .............

1. Get action post flop from raggy hands and it doesnt look like I have an overpair.

2. Let my opponent raise the range I want to build a pot against preflop or postflop and disguise the fact I have tens by just calling, imitating I am a 2nl donk who cant fold once they have limped.

3. Get more value in a preflop raised pot, by checking behind IP to gain a bluff bet from my opponent on the turn or by checking infront OOP to gain a bluff bet from opponent on the flop becuase I look fairly weak they way I have played the hand.

If I do not follow these rules for this hand, I raise preflop and fold out any raggy hands I want in the pot and get called by a predominately overcard range, which connects alot of the time and if it doesnt I have to check to 4th street anyway becuase they are not calling me alot without a pair if I bet the flop. So I lose the disguise in my hand and get no action at all.

This thread makes me wonder why this forum even exists. To help our opponents get better at the game? Not that I'll ever be on the same table Telford09 though, which is at least reassuring that the games will never be dead.

You realise that's a tiiiny sample yes?

Yes, please don't tap the bowl on this one, he's why we're getting paid off.

ye

so u play 2nl often?

I assume the way you play you'll be moving up soon. Now can I get your screen name please. You play on party right.

telf09 HU 4 rollz?