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05-27-2022 , 09:11 PM
What could I have done differently / better in this hand. Larger raise pre or at the flop when I paired up my kings or at the turn? I had the villain dominated until she rivered a T giving her two pair. I know I missed an opportunity here, somewhere.

Yatahay Network - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 137.3 BB
CO: 49.9 BB
BTN: 124.9 BB
SB: 182.5 BB
BB: 102.7 BB
Hero (UTG): 98.4 BB
UTG+1: 95 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

Hero raises to 2 BB, UTG+1 calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) K 3 Q
Hero bets 5.5 BB, UTG+1 calls 5.5 BB

Turn: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 16.5 BB, UTG+1 calls 16.5 BB

River: (49.5 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 49.5 BB, UTG+1 raises to 71 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 21.5 BB

Hero shows K J (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 61%, Flop 82%, Turn 89%)
UTG+1 shows Q T (Two Pair, Queens and Tens)
(Pre 39%, Flop 18%, Turn 11%)
UTG+1 wins 182 BB
Rake paid 7.1 BB

Last edited by DAaronAKQJ10; 05-27-2022 at 09:28 PM. Reason: Added a question
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05-27-2022 , 09:28 PM
is a min open standard in this pool?
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05-27-2022 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
is a min open standard in this pool?
At the table I was playing any heavier pre-flop pressure was causing everyone to fold to the heavy raise. Very tight skittish table.
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05-27-2022 , 09:41 PM
i don't play online very much so feel free to discard this if another person comments, but unless you view villain as a total mark who is why you're seated there then i don't see why you're triple barreling pot size bets with tpgk oop

i don't think it's butchered or anything, but i wouldn't mind mixing in a check for pot control and betting smaller amounts
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05-27-2022 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
i don't play online very much so feel free to discard this if another person comments, but unless you view villain as a total mark who is why you're seated there then i don't see why you're triple barreling pot size bets with tpgk oop

i don't think it's butchered or anything, but i wouldn't mind mixing in a check for pot control and betting smaller amounts
Thank you, yeah I realize I should have either backed off on the gas, or pushed harder, probably backing off and preserving my stack would have been the correct choice. I was so deep into the pot that I fell into the trap of feeling pot committed - Live & Learn.
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05-27-2022 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DAaronAKQJ10
Thank you, yeah I realize I should have either backed off on the gas, or pushed harder, probably backing off and preserving my stack would have been the correct choice. I was so deep into the pot that I fell into the trap of feeling pot committed - Live & Learn.
yeah, like if you were betting smaller amounts and/or checked the turn then it's an easy fold on river but as played you're never folding there even though you know you're almost never good

would be curious how a solver would play this one

but i also just realized this was posted in the wrong forum, hence why nobody is commenting

i'll hit report on the thread and hopefully a mod will agree and move it to where it'll get more appropriate views
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05-28-2022 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
yeah, like if you were betting smaller amounts and/or checked the turn then it's an easy fold on river but as played you're never folding there even though you know you're almost never good

would be curious how a solver would play this one
Thank you for your replies. Helpful information to digest. I am curious about solver solution as well. Learning to use GTO+ so once I get the hang of it I’ll find out.

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Originally Posted by rickroll
but i also just realized this was posted in the wrong forum, hence why nobody is commenting

i'll hit report on the thread and hopefully a mod will agree and move it to where it'll get more appropriate views
I pinged the mod about correct category, too.
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05-28-2022 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DAaronAKQJ10
At the table I was playing any heavier pre-flop pressure was causing everyone to fold to the heavy raise. Very tight skittish table.
Which is not a bad result in this situation.

You are not playing pot limit, so don't just hit the pot button and actually think about your bet sizing. It's the worst on the river - if he's calling 50bb he's calling a shove
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05-28-2022 , 10:00 AM
Preflop: Fine

Flop: Why bet pot? Villain will fold almost everything you beat. Plus TP 2nd kicker is not a hand that has 3 streets of value. Bet a little closer 1/2 pot or x/c

Turn: Pretty much a blank, but villain called full pot OTF which has to get your spider sense tingling. You bloated the pot OOP OTF which now makes your turn decision more difficult. This is a hand and a runout where you should've checked either the flop or turn, but by betting too large OTF a check would look strange.

River. Villain called a pot sized bet again OTT. What do you beat that takes that line? Even if Villain is a fishy chaser, the river hits his range pretty hard.

Sure, if you could've seen his hand, charging him the max to chase would be good, but there were reasonable hands in his range (KQ, 33) that you were behind all the way.

Your goal should be to make your opponent's decisions hard. Your fixation on the *bet pot* button made your decisions the hard ones.
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06-01-2022 , 02:11 AM
In theoryland probably these streets are all more or less fine except for river which then turns into hugely overplaying. To answer rickroll, if you solved this one I would guess the main line is something like block flop bet turn block river or maybe block block block. LCheck flop big turn block river also seems ok. Lots of options would be mixed and viable, but none of the lines taken by solver would put in this much money or bet big otr.

In reality clicking pot pot pot here shows you aren't thinking yet at a high level about concepts like betsizing related to position, your own relative hand strength, and how your sizings should impact villain's range. Try thinking more about what your hand is worth, relative to the board and the previous action. Once you pot flop and turn plus the river rolls off somewhat poorly (plenty of 2ps come in, KT now beats you, AJ straight) it should be quite clear that your hand is not particularly strong and we certainly shouldn't be chunking in a huge bet.
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06-05-2022 , 05:56 PM
You put in 23 BB while ahead and 71 BB while behind. What hands are you targeting with the 50 BB river bet?
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06-06-2022 , 07:53 AM
A big bet on the flop. Why not max 2/3 bet? I would check the turn with your holding after villain called your preflop potbet. Potcontrol. What are his holdings when he calls your potbet on the flop and turn. You are behind alot of times here. And the Ten on the river hits his range also. So I would bet less on the flop, when done a 1/2 potsize bet on the turn makes more sense. After his call there you know it will be a check on the river because lots of time behind here...
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