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05-25-2021 , 03:40 AM

SneakyPP

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I am trying to learn ranges and odds but i am a little confused. Is not AJ suited stronger than AQ of suited before the flop? But when i tried a poker odds calculator the AQ gets a higer % before the flop. Would really appreciate some help.

I look at various pages that ranks the hands , how come AJ suited is higher ranked hand than AQ of suited, but AQ of suited has higher % in odds.
https://www.preflophands.com/

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05-25-2021 , 04:52 AM

PokerPlayingGamble

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" Is not AJ suited stronger than AQ of suited before the flop? "

No, it is not.

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05-25-2021 , 05:13 AM

SneakyPP

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But how come AJ suited is ranked as number 8 as starting hand and AQ of suited number 18?

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05-25-2021 , 05:15 AM

hyperknit

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Originally Posted by SneakyPP

But how come AJ suited is ranked as number 8 as starting hand and AQ of suited number 18?

Raw equity vs playability

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05-25-2021 , 05:24 AM

SneakyPP

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Originally Posted by hyperknit

Raw equity vs playability

What do you mean ?

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05-25-2021 , 05:30 AM

PokerPlayingGamble

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Originally Posted by SneakyPP

But how come AJ suited is ranked as number 8 as starting hand and AQ of suited number 18?

The person who made these hand rankings was mistaken.

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05-25-2021 , 08:05 AM

SmallBallCall

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Originally Posted by SneakyPP

What do you mean ?

You can plug AQo v AJs into pokerstove and get the raw equity.

AQo will be stronger because there are a large number of run outs that don't hit J, and so AQ wins those unless you hit a straight or a flush.

That's the raw equity, if you managed to get all the way to the river.

Suited hands like AJs have some more playability, you can realise your equity better.

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05-25-2021 , 08:12 AM

SmallBallCall

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Also I think it is important to understand the context of your question. You have asked it as
is AJs better than AQo, as if it is one hand against another.

The rankings you looked at ask a very different questions. Which is: If a game is 9 or 10 handed, does AJs have better equity than AQo. Hopefully you can see this is a very different question

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05-25-2021 , 12:58 PM

hyperknit

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What do you mean ?

Would u rather have A6o or KQs? Why?

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05-25-2021 , 02:41 PM

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SpewingIsMyMove

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playability\better reverse implied odds.

AJs has more nuttish combos, while AQo has more unfoldable, second best combos.

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05-25-2021 , 02:49 PM

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SpewingIsMyMove

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These rankings were based on pure showdown equity against 9 ATC hands, all players staying in the whole way.

This is not a terribly accurate way to model hand strength

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05-25-2021 , 06:30 PM

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AJs is generally stronger. Not sure why people are saying it isn't. We almost never care about raw HU equity for individual hand matchups so it's not really relevant that AJs is a dog to AQo HU or that A-Q high is higher than A-J high in terms of rank. What matters is how a hand plays on future streets vs. full ranges. AJs makes more nutted hands that can win big pots. The 1 pip kicker matters but not as much as the ability to make nut flushes.

There are probably some situations where AQo is stronger but in general I prefer AJs.

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05-25-2021 , 07:33 PM

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At around 50bb I would say AQo > AJs
At 250bb I would say A6s>AQo

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05-25-2021 , 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by browni3141

AQ has more showdown equity headsup against a reasonable (10%) calling range. Deep, there are merits to AJs over AQo. Shallow, I would rather gii with AQo

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05-26-2021 , 01:14 AM

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AQ has more showdown equity headsup against a reasonable (10%) calling range. Deep, there are merits to AJs over AQo. Shallow, I would rather gii with AQo

Seems reasonable. AQo should benefit from shallower SPR/stacks. Raw equity becomes more important then and AQo does better in that regard in a lot of situations. If you're not going post at all I imagine AQo is usually better.

I think the takeaway for anyone reading this thread should be that the context is crucial and it's wrong to say one hand is better than the other. Sometimes AQo is better and sometimes AJs is better. Trying to determine which is best without context isn't the right way to go about things.

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05-28-2021 , 08:56 PM

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AJs has more equity than AQo against a random hand.

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05-29-2021 , 06:07 PM

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AJs has more equity than AQo against a random hand.

Do you find yourself often playing big aces against an ATC range? I don't

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05-29-2021 , 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove

Do you find yourself often playing big aces against an ATC range? I don't

Lol

AQo has better equity against a range of KQ-Q2

Kek

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