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06-03-2011 , 09:53 PM
Im watching the stream for the HU 25k Wsop torney and galfond keeps saying gus need to risk 61 to win 54 how is that good for gus hes risking more then he is winning right?
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06-03-2011 , 09:56 PM
yes, but HU it's often hard to call that 3 bet, so gus knows it only has to work just over 50% of the time as a total bluff, and he is probably doing it with reasonable equity a lot of the time so he has an OK chance of winning even if Cody calls.
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06-03-2011 , 10:02 PM
how do u get 50%
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06-03-2011 , 11:18 PM
Relative to the decision at hand, you cannot have a situation where the pot odds is less than 1 to 1 as I think your Galfond quote implies.

If Gus is to risk 61, then the pot has to be at least 61 plus whatever money went in for blinds and previous bets. For example, assume that the blinds were 7 and 14 and Gus was SB. Cody posts the bb of 14 and raises 54 making it 68 to go. Gus has already posted the small blind of 7 so he has to risk another 61 to call. If he wins, he not only wins the 54 raise but also the blinds, for a total pot of 75.

So, if you quoted correctly, I’m not sure what Galfond was saying. But, Galfond is a pretty savvy pro, so I am interested in other opinions.

Last edited by statmanhal; 06-03-2011 at 11:33 PM.
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06-04-2011 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Alchoholic Wombat
Im watching the stream for the HU 25k Wsop torney and galfond keeps saying gus need to risk 61 to win 54 how is that good for gus hes risking more then he is winning right?
I risk much more whit my bank to get 2% in 1 year
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06-04-2011 , 08:15 AM
but it was HU so i guess it changes things
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06-04-2011 , 09:27 AM
also in your answer hes risking 61 to win 75 so its a good move HU right
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06-04-2011 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Alchoholic Wombat
also in your answer hes risking 61 to win 75 so its a good move HU right
Winning 75 by risking 61 gives you pot odds of about 1.1 to 1. That means you need at least a 48% winning chance to just break even, from an EV perspective.

This purely math approach to making the call or raise decision might then be modified to include other factors that cannot be easily quantified. For example, if Cody was frequently making these kinds of raises forcing Gus to fold, it may be time to make a move to show you cannot be pushed around any longer.
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06-04-2011 , 12:32 PM
ah ok btw how did you get 48% cause its 1.1?
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06-04-2011 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Alchoholic Wombat
ah ok btw how did you get 48% cause its 1.1?
If the pot odds are X to 1, then the card equity needed for +EV is

eq >= 1/(1+X)

So, for X = 1.1,

eq >= 1/(2.1) = 0.48
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