Quite embarrassed about the river bet, but completely misread villain's line of play.

I didn't go for the reraise on the flop as I thought I would get more in the pot with the line taken, but given the flop texture I guess this was an error.

On the turn - can I just shove here given that either a club or diamond isn't much fun.

As for the river - just check, and call any smallish bet? and what if he shoves?

I think you played it well. You were risking around (on the river) 1$ to win around 4,5$. Thats 1:4,5 = 22,22%. So it has to work 22,22% to at least break even. You would have to call his river bet anyway. I don't know his stats, but he would probably call you with many other hands: AA, JJ, AK, maybe 77, TK (if he is able to call the 3bet preflop).

Lot of things that don't add up.

1) There is $2,6 in the pot on the river
2) He isn't "risking" anything, a valuebet needs to be good more than 50% of the time regardless of what the SPR is
3) AA and AK shouldn't be in his range

Having said that, I think bet/bet/bet is fine. I think river still gets called when you win a lot and you're never checkfolding it anyways. Also 3bet bigger preflop though, make it $0,25 or somewhere around that.

Your riverbet doesnt always need to be called 50% of the time.

If we assume he always bets every hand that is better than yours, (all straights/flushes and the extremely unlikely set of kings so yes we can assume that) and we also assume you are going to call his bet when he bets. (this assumes he is also going to be betting often enough with JJ, 77, KQ because there are barely any hands in his range to bluff with and even with those he isnt all that super likely to bluff in this situation i think: A9dd, 89dd)

Then, if he more often calls with a weaker hand than he will bet with a weaker hand, your river bet is good regardless of how often he will actually call with a weaker hand.

Why would he call more often with a weaker hand than bet if we check?

I'd like a larger PF 3-bet, x/c the river and take a note that he called your flop c-bet with an over, a gutshot and a RRFD - 8 outs, not all clean.

I'm not overly enthusiastic about a turn shove as played since I think it chases too much away, and that turn card should be a brick. With a larger preflop 3-bet, a turn shove might make more sense.

Hand looks fine to me. The river is one of the worst cards but he's got less than 1/2 pot left and it's a 3b pot so I'd just stick the rest in as well (even though we know he got there alot of the time on this card)

i'd 3b more pre, you're out of position and there's a tourist in which you should be able to charge. if you make it .26 or something then you've got a pot of around .6 on the flop which makes it a lot easier to play for stacks

as played, it seems fine

Seems fine to me as well ... You could've gone bigger on all streets. Your bets should be as high as your opponents are willing to pay. Bigger PF and Flop bets here get the money in OTT, when you are still ahead (results comment, but ..). Your opponent is NEVER folding here OTT so it doesn't really matter what you do (again, results comment!!).

You may want to consider your range. Your opponent was certainly not afraid of the flush here. It would be interesting to see if he plays the same way with KQ? Do you give away your hand with your bet sizing?

You put your opponent in a spot to commit his stack, he just ended up with 'the world' going to the River and decided to pay off the flush if that's what you had. GL

Not sure if that is the case.

There are a few hands in his range that could bluff the river but surely couldnt call your bet. (89dd, A8dd)

Theres a hand that i would never bet IP if i were him but that he might call with. (AK)

Then there is 77,JJ, KQ. Hell call with those probably, will he bet them if we check ? I think calling is more likely than betting for sure.

So since the possible bluffs are only 2 combis and calling is more likely than betting a bunch of others, i think he is indeed more likely to call than to bet here.

I don't know if it's the optimal line against this player, but I'd usually check-raise the flop and shove the turn. There's no difficult river play if you're already all in with the nuts.

think there's way too much risk of the other guy checking behind given PF action and the board

By the end, he has no air and has either a thin SDV hand or more likely draw. All the draws have gotten there. About thee only thing that you beat is AJ, which would check behind on the river but probably fold to a bet on river, so you should check river.

Fold to river shove. You could bet a little more on turn, but don't overbet shove there just because you are afraid of draws.

Do you checkraise Axcc though or are you only taking this line with top set?

How do you balance it with a betting range and a check/call range? Or do you have no check/call range?

Think bet flop then check/shove turn is better if we're doing this (and have no check/call range OTT, either check/fold or check/shove).

is there anything else we can do on river? cech call but fold to a shove?

or does spr say we way commited

When i made my last post i actually also started thinking we could possibly fold to a riverbet as killer beez indicates. Indeed there is just so little for him to have that is bluffable and almost every worse hand he should check behind.

Still i dont think id be folding 4:1 while you never know if he really will check behind, he might just think his lower set or KQ is worth betting certainly at micros where his reasoning might no go further than `oh its almost all in there, lets just bet that last bit as well`. And even though they are few hands there are some that can bluff.

It surely isnt an automatic no brainer that you should always call his riverbet though. I dont think there are much other rivervets to consider than a shove since that aint much already anyway.

I check-call pretty often (with sets, one pair and draws).
My range is pretty small in this spot, and most of it smashes the board. TT is the only hand that looks like a check-fold and I don't always 3-bet that in the first place. (It might even be +EV to turn TT into a bluff and c-bet it on a one-and-done basis). With everything else, I think mixed strategies can be employed. AJs is the only obvious check-call, but everything else has multiple options.
i.e. QQ/JJ and AKcc/ATcc could be bet, check-called or check-raised. KK+/AQ/KQs/AK/ATs (in wrong suit) could be bet or check-called. The EV of each option will be very close, if not identical, so it doesn't really matter which you choose. With sets and combo draws, the Bet flop/check-shove turn line you mentioned looks just as tasty to me as check-raise flop, shove turn. A lot depends on how villain reacts to a flop or turn check. I think he'll usually bet at a high frequency, and I'm hardly ever folding.

Thanks all to who contributed, very interesting discussion.

Can't help feeling that Killer Beez has it right, but would be really reluctant fold to a shove

We can make a clear note on this Villain, based on this single hand, that he's a Passive Fish. We don't need to worry about balance. We need to be potting our value hands, and folding to his bets.

The reason I would go for the check/shove on the flop is that once a villain has called a cbet, they'll pretty much bet 100% of the time on the turn if you check. I know it's a massive leak on their part, but literally everyone does it. So the check/shove turn line punishes them for it, whereas I don't see everyone stabbing at the top after a flop check (admittedly it's still a high frequency, but if we go bet flop/check-shove turn, villain is more committed to call off with junk since more of his stack is in the middle - if you checkraise flop he'll probably just think 'nice super-nut hand bro' and fold having not invested much).

Then again I pretty much never check-raise flop as the PFR absent some highly specific read on villain.

if you're still talking about the OP then read what you just wrote and think why it's stupid

You meant check-shove the turn, ldo, and I completely agree with that analysis. The best way to punish floaters is to check-jam the nuts when they bet the turn.

whatever you do in this hand, don't check the flop

also size bigger pre

river is fine, we're never c/f so we may as well see if we can get paid by KJ/lower sets/random ******ed hero calls