Profitable all-in situations - Beginning Poker Questions

Two Plus Two Forums Poker Strategy Beginners and General Questions

Profitable all-in situations

Post Reply Subscribe

...

02-27-2021 , 07:34 AM

ren0ks

stranger

Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 6

Hello!

Can someone please explain me, why in HU situations with 10BB is profitable to shove hands like J4s, 74s or T8o? Avarage player will call only with hands who beats our hand. In long term I will always lose when my opponent call my shove with hands like J4s, 74s or T8o. I understand that I am stealing blinds with that kind of hands, but most important thing is to win a tournament not to steal blinds.

Quote

02-27-2021 , 02:41 PM

sixfour

should be called sevenfour

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 74,952

if stealing blinds is +EV it helps you to win the tournament

Quote

02-27-2021 , 03:08 PM

ren0ks

stranger

Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixfour

if stealing blinds is +EV it helps you to win the tournament

How can I calculate that EV is good at this situation?

Quote

02-27-2021 , 03:16 PM

Syon

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 411

The cost and value of the blinds gets underrated. Just some thoughts to chew on.

One pays 25bb per 100 hands in a 6 seated game (and that’s not even counting ante). (100 hands / 6 hands per orbit * 1.5bb per orbit)

The idea of crushing a cash game is winning 5bb/100 hands.

The blinds are the catalyst for why one is forced to play anything other than AA

The lower the blind/stack size ratio is, the less hands one has left to wait around for premium hands else get blinded out.

(Just some at work rambling)

Quote

02-27-2021 , 04:36 PM

sixfour

should be called sevenfour

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 74,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by ren0ks

How can I calculate that EV is good at this situation?

People had worked this out fifteen years ago, you look up a chart that's probably etched into slate

Quote

02-27-2021 , 07:31 PM

tombos21

veteran

Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 2,067

In a situation where you can only shove or fold, the bottom of your shoving range will be 0EV. These hands are net losers when called, but they make up for it by winning the blinds.

Quote:

How can I calculate that EV is good at this situation?

HU, no ante, players start with 10bb effective, 0.5bb/1bb blind structure. The BTN can only shove or fold.

EV of shoving
= 1.5bb when they fold,
= 10bb when they call and we win
= -9.5bb when they call and we lose

EV = (1.5bb * fold%) + call%(win%*10bb - lose%*9.5bb)

BB will call with any hand that has at least 9/20=45% equity against the betting range.

Quote

02-27-2021 , 08:09 PM

Didace

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 20,066

In most small online tourneys and in most daily live tourneys, the BB will usually call a lot less than that.

Quote

Post Reply Subscribe

...