Hello.

This is happening every time i play.

I become involved in a hand where the Pot Will be let me say. 8 big blinds on the turn.

If I hold a good hand. Like King Ten. And the Board is:

4 8 K J 2

I will call a bet of 5 Big Blinds.

But sometimes someone will bet 10 or 12 Big Blinds.

I am not getting the right odds.

So If I have not invested much, I fold.

I see these strange bets. Mostly from losing Players.


How should I handle when this happens.

Should I only be calling when I have three of a kind in that instance?

I think it comes down to reads. You'd have to put your opponent on a range of hands, and hopefully on 1 or 2 specific hands by the river. You then go through each of his hands and see which ones you beat. If you win 30% of the time and the pot odds are around there, then you can call. I don't think 8 bets or 12 bets really makes a difference as someone could shove 100 bets with nothing. If you know he has nothing and you have pocket 2's... call.

A lot depends on how it got to 8 BB in the first place. Did you raise it preflop - was it a limped pot - did your opponent raise it - was one of you in the BB -was it bet on the flop? Since you flopped top pair, it is reasonable to believe that you bet it. Did you? Did he? All of these factors are relevant in making your decision.

This is one reason why hands like KT are not good to play - they force you to make tough decisions when you are very likely dominated. If he has bet on earlier streets, and is willing to fire a big second barrel, you can essentially only beat a bluff. So the question is, do you think he is bluffing? If yes, go ahead and call - but otherwise 1 pair with a weak kicker just isn't that good. The same can really be said for a smaller bet, too.

ACE ACE

Herein lies the fundamental problem. KT (even suited) is not what is traditionally considered a good hand at a full table. It is better at a short table or when first into a pot with a lot of folding in front of you, but it is still a trouble hand.

Other than that, what game are you playing? Limit or No Limit? 8 BB in the pot at the turn in No Limit is not necessarily a lot of action (but could be a lot of limping), but to get there in Limit someone was active and/or there are a ton of people in the pot. From your hand description I am guessing you are playing No Limit.

On the flop you have top pair with a reasonable kicker, but how many opponents? is the 5BB (or a little more than half the pot) bet from a single opponent? are there folks behind you? How have you determined that a 5BB call has a positive EV but 10 or 12 BB does not?

There is not enough information here to answer your post thoroughly. BUT, it sounds like you have a table image and/or hand selection problem. If you often play trouble hands like premium hands (and have to show them down so people know it) or frequently can be pushed off of hands because you made a weak selection to begin you are going to have this problem often.

can you just once post an ACTUAL hand history? that's pretty standard on this forum and i think you'll get better responses overall

I was playing No Limit.

NOT limit.

I had the KING TEN in the Big Blind. I called a bet on the flop.

It was a limped pot. One bet. Three opponents Remain and I am included in the Three.

I will attempt better form next time .

THANK YOU

Don't understand why the mods haven't cut the throat on this gimmick?

That statement CBorder is simply uncalled for.

You young men and woman must understand that foul and inflaming language is simply unjust. I know for fact that you and your breathern would not speak to my face like an in such a manner.

I AM old enough to be your father and but yet I would deal with such INSOLENCE with a untimid response. Men and Women simply do not behave in a manner you are showing in Real Casino. If they do they are DRUNK or Losing money. Yet to calmly speak such is beyond reason.

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i LOLED

for IT amused me.

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sounds pretty standard for a casino

Don't worry about the haters, Giblet.

I would like to rail a heads up match between Mr. Giblet and TonytheTiger

OMG YES, can we somehow organize this?

I will say it again K10 is not a good hand.

That board you described. Here are the good hands that bear you AK,KQ,KJ,AA and any set. If someone raised Chances are the have one of these hands. Even KQ isn't that good of a hand.

And how do you know these strange bets are coming from losing players? maybe they know you play hands like K10, A9-.

And +2 for this match. T.T.T is the greatest micro stakes sng' grinder 2p2 has ever seen.

I do not know if my post was one of the ones that you found to be offensive. My apologies if you found it to be so that was not my intention.

To BadSquire. No, your Post was fine. Helpful Thank YOu.

My statement was to the CBorder Man/Woman.

To Nuisance.

I KNOW they are losing players. UNLESS the site POKER TABLE Ratings is wrong. I check my oponents on that site. I do not use POKER TRACKER. Yet.

I do not play KING TEN off suit from an early position. IN the case I am using. I am In Big Blind.

Some of these characters who do this, sometimes they do INSANE things. Several times I have been check raised on a river where there is NO straight or flush. And i will have middle SET. But the river will be the high card. SO they might have made TOP SET. But they will MIN CHECK RAISE.

I , for POT ODDS, will call and sure enough. They will have TOP PAIR. Not TOP Set.

But if the odds are not correct, I cannot call a 2 times POT bet without the UNBEATABLE HAND, NO?
THank you.

Honestly don't play like you are playing 10nl play like you are playing 25nl.
So when you move up you will be ready. 25nl is a different beast than 10nl.

So K10 toss it to a raise don't be happy with top pair it will most likely get out kicked.

depends on what equity your hand has against their range for making such a move. then figuring how many times u have to win the showdown to make the call be +EV

Uh, yeah. IT FREQUENTLY is.

Table Ratings is killing cashgames