[x] Running high end computer config/with more RAM than most people.


I've used neither (PT3 user here, it had all the functionality I needed), but having high end system demands for a program tends to limit your potential client base. Browsing the feedback in this thread, it appears if you have an older PC, you'll have to run PT3/4 or HEM1 vs HEM2.

I've been using PT4 for the past week.
It runs flawlessly and no problems whatsoever.

Features wise, HM2 is still way better than PT4.
The pokertracker team don't really seem to care much about how their competition is doing things better than them and just trying to do their own thing it seems (huge fail).

HM2:
- way better navigation
- better menus and access
- better customization

PT4 has a ridiculous amount of drop down menus that take 5-6 mouse clicks to get things done that would only take 1 mouse click in HM2 which is a pain in the ass when your grinding.
The interface is really plain and great, but once you dig a little deeper and start using the reports/filters, it's really a complete mess.
Hopefully they sort it out but it looks doubtful.

In saying that, HM2 runs like complete ass and I don't even think a super computer would run that software efficiently, which is a shame.

pt4 because it's more stable (despite being beta) than hm2.

feature wise, I don't think most people will notice a difference, and I don't think
choosing one or the other is going to affect how well you play.

When PT4 will be RTM ?

monkeys ITT

Let's do a table with all feature by feature of each one of them and see which one is better to buy and why:

1.Heat Map Reports of Holdem Manager 2


versus

Holdem range visualizer from Poker Tracker 4


2.HUD Options

versus
PT4 HUD options:


3. iPhone App

iPhone App You will have the ability to upload hands directly from HM2. You can then filter, review, comment, share or replay them.

I don't know if this exists in PT4...

4. Multiple Graphs

versus




5. Notes - Hand Viewer
New NoteCaddy notes can be optionally displayed on the HUD. These auto-generated player notes are incredibly powerful and allow you to drill down and replay the actual hands that triggered the notes! NoteCaddy is the newest HM app and includes both free and premium notes that are integrated into HM2.

NoteCaddy:
Color Coding
Color code all the PokerStars players in your database with the touch of a button.

Customizable Automatic Notes
Choose from hundreds of defaults or easily program your own notes to be automatically be taken based on hundreds of filters.

Limitless Custom HUD Stats
Limitless Custom HUD Stats Add stats, like your VPIP/PFR as seen from the eyes of opponents, to the list of HM2 hud stats.

Price: $60 !!!
versus
similar to NoteCaddy on PT4 there is Note Tracker. Very customizable and with lots of functionality.

Price: Included in PT4 so you don't have to pay another money for it.

6.Player Analysis
Your imagination is about the only limitation on the situational filters that you can set on the combinations of position and betting lines for an opponent.


Hard to find something similar in PT4. They had some graphs, not so many and not so beautiful.

7. Replayer


versus

Both replayers support skins.

8. Reports
Hold'em Managers' easy-to-read graphs and multiple tools deliver the most comprehensive analysis of your game.


versus

PT4 comes with a few built in reports. Not editable. If you wanna build your own report you then click on "My Reports" tab and then start creating a new one.

9. Price
HEM2 is $89.99 while PT3 is $99.99 !!!
I don't know how much PT4 will cost but since PT3 is $99 I don't expect for a cheaper product. Should I ?...

10. Equity calculator

Feature available in PT4 ONLY !!!

11. ICM Tools:
In PT4:

An ICM quizz for training yourself like SitNGo Wizard from HEM2:

It doesn't show to you any VPIP/PFR for players like SNG Wizard do.
and you cannot import hands played for analysis like SitNGoWizard do.

And another little tool named ICM calculator.

Bot tools are free and included in PT4 price so you will not have to pay for them.

versus




The price is: $99. So yeah, it costs.



12. Easy to use:
IMHO HEM 2 is far away more easy to use than PT4 is ! They are like windows vs Linux: 1st one easy to use and with some errors to be fixed and second one with no errors but so ****ing hard to use. Exactly like Linux.

Which one is better and why ?
What are you gonna buy and why: PT4 or HEM2 ? Why ?

Their thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...-support-1535/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...e-now-1052323/

Do not forget that while PT4 has some built in functions for the same or a more advanced function in HEM2 you need to pay another money because they are not included in price. So put this in the balance too when need to choose.

BUMP

I don't think any of us bought the software for a dazzling array of features and flashy graphics. The typical grinder just wants a HUD that works, and a tracker that accurately collates data. We don't want software that locks up for no apparent reason. We don't want our tournament results to have the wrong buy-ins and ROI graphs.
HM1 was rock solid. I never had any problems with it. With HM2, there's a bug fix every few days. While one bug gets fixed, another couple seem to appear. The customer support in the HM forums is pretty poor too. "Download this update, re-import your database (which might take all night), send us the log files and we'll see if we can fix the bugs in the next release etc. etc."
It's reached the point where I'm scared to click on anything but the basic Reports in case it all goes tits up again.

Loved HEM1. Not loving HEM2.
Initially did not recognise some hands as Zoom so tables/graphs were all wrong. That prob was sorted tho, but still wrong in my database.

Now i have the recurring problem of it crashing mid-session, at least once a day, and i only play a few hrs at most.

Have updated to the most recent version and reloaded my entire database. Have done everything recommended by support. Have started a new database......and it still crashed.

I have no useful knowledge of PT, but that's just my experience of HEM2. When it works ok, it's awesome

Nice thread. I was a long time PT3 user. I tried HEM1 but just didn't like the UI. I used PT2 so the upgrade to PT3 seemed more natural.

I seriously considered going with HEM2 after watching some promo videos of all the awesome features. Some of the stuff they have is really sweet. I just couldn't get to work though. Too buggy, its a shame. PT4 gives me zero trouble and is a lot faster than PT3 was.

Too many stats! Read souls fools, not numbers

We definitely should not overfocus on stats/numbers while playing. But in the right situations the numbers speak for themselves giving you an edge that may be worth volumes.

Does anyone have an idea of when PT4 will be available for Mac? Website says they will start work after its rolled out for windows but cant find anything else. Eager to take a look.

So HEM2 still has regular grinder-unfriendly bugs? The so-called stable release of PT 4.02.1 still has some bugs that I reported back in early beta, and so far I don't see the uprgrade option with 70% discount for a total of $30.

I have a decent laptop, but both HEM2 and PT4 are laggy for me when multi-tabling with PartyPoker's buggy software so I may have to wait until I buy a Windows 8 desktop with SSD in the fall before I grind with either of them. It looks like I'm stuck continuing to use my PT3 for now. I'm leaning towards choosing PT4 if I can get the $30 upgrade price.

Aside from KohINoor's useful post, is there any site that has done a more detailed feature-by-feature comparison of the new PT 4.02 and HEM2 yet?

I had a little trouble with that too. Basically, just add it to your cart and then it shows the discount applied.

edit: mine was $48 but I have the full NL/Omaha version.

I don't have any upgrade option, so I tried adding the whopping $99 regular price, but it still shows $99 at checkout. I don't want to get ripped off after being a loyal PokerTracker customer for years and not get any discount. Does anybody know what HEM's market share lead is over PT?

I got the same thing a couple of times, then it just worked. There's no upgrade option, you just have to buy a licence. I think I did it from within the 'community' tab on the PT4 beta, whilst signed in to my PT account. Then it just sort of worked and showed the discount. GL.

Worst case, speak to PT to get it done on their forum or twitter.

Hey guys can someone give me there input as far as which one to choose for lower stakes (tournys)

Seriously, just download the trial versions of both and see which you prefer. It will take a day of playing about to really come to a conclusion, but if one keeps crashing your system, your decision will be pretty easy.

I like the vector HUD in PT4 , also the HUD border colours are brighter/better in PT4.
HEM2 pop-ups are better. Hand marking is easier in HEM2 too.
I can't justify buying sng wizard for 99$ when PT4 offers a similar inbuilt feature that does 70% of what sng wiz does for free.
IMO if hem2 wants 2 compete with PT4, they should also provide KO versions of all their paid apps with limited/same features PT4 gives for free, especially sng wizard.

And the software about leaks isn't mentioned above but it also is important...

In HEM there is Leak Buster that you pay for, $90 or so, when in PT4 there is a similar function built in, so free of charge...

HEM2 had the advantage of being released a few months earlier, but now that PT4 is out and has so many features built in at no additional cost (notes, SNG wizard, Leak finder), the game (and choise) becomes an interesting one...

cause PT4 costs $100 but HEM2 is $90+$90+$60+...

we should really try them both carefully before choosing, especially since we are not all playing at that high stakes, that we can afford the investment of more than a couple hundred dollars instead of just $100

Then of course, it might just be me ;-)

Will look at this mor when I take a look at both free trials and figure out questions from there... Likely.

Leak Buster is 50 or 80$ and it's not similar to leak tracker. All leak tracker is doing is looking at stat ranges, which is nice and handy, but you can find articles for that. Leak Buster is much more sophisticated and built by winning poker players. Leak Buster is going to do things PT4 can't like analyze:


River bet sizing
Multiple line analysis - bet check bet, check bet bet, etc...
3-betting reasonable hands from blinds vs. cold calling
Getting max value vs opponents full range
3-bet squeezing w/ non premium hands in and out of position
Betting second pair or less on dry boards on the turn
Blind defense analysis
Naked flop floats vs raises

And a ton more. Not to mention there's good content to learn from in leak buster. You get what you pay for.

In HM1/2 there is a possibility to see the picture of preflop hands with some filters (for ex, open at SB having 8..11bb), and then see list of games with specific hand (for ex, 23o).

Could you please advise me, is there such a thing at PT4? I cannot found for 5 minuted already..

PT4 has a faster running HUD in zoom games. HEM2 has badges and spark graphs which PT4 doesnit have.