HM2 does not overwrite HM1. It can co-exist on your system. If you actually uninstalled HM1, then you can re-install it.
Links to the HM1 software are currently still available (there was even an update posted a couple of days ago), but I'm not sure how long they will be available. I would advise any users to grab the install/update file before PSAG stop supporting the old version entirely.
http://www.holdemmanager.com/store/d...ds-manuals.php

Direct link to full install of version 1.12.09: http://www.holdemmanager.com/downloa...ager_Setup.exe
Direct link to update to 1.12.09 (from earlier HM1 installs): http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe

Cheers Arty

You will find when it comes to HEM vs PT, some posters turn in to the equivalent of PS3/XBox or Apple/Android fanboys, so you really need to take a look at both for yourself. That's the only way, until one clearly exceeds the other.

Both are similar enough in terms of functionality, that for 90% of users the differences are negligible. For some of the hardcore, one outperforms the other in having something that the other has, and vice versa.

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As for PO - I used to use it a longtime ago, before it's last major overhaul, and while I liked it, the support was terrible, hence switching to PT3.

I'm very happy with PT3 fwiw.

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I'm not sure which of our developers has stated that PT3 is problematic. That is certainly not the case. Three and a half years ago, when we initially released PT3, there were issues with it, but those were resolved long ago. Today, the majority of problems with PT3 stem from poker site changes (which we release fixes for) and system configuration issues. PT3 has been solid for a long time. Very few people experience problems anymore.

As for PT4, we are currently working to clear up issues being reported by our current beta testers before we will release the beta to the general public. We hope to have the beta available to everyone at some point this month. Of course, that could change, depending on what issues are uncovered in the meantime.

PokerAce - two features I've always liked about HEM: that thing where you can get a sawn off hand history displayed, almost immediately after the hand is finished, including all in equities. And the fact that it's easier to mark a hand for review in HEM, compared to PT3 (imo).

Will PT4 match HEM in those two regards? Minor points, maybe, but they've always struck me as important differences between the two products.

Both PT3 and PT4 offer features to do what you want.

PT3 has the hand history viewer that you can launch via the PT Hud menu to sit next to your table and display the hand history in a graphical representation, including street-by-street equities. PT4 has the same.

PT3 has options in the PT Hud menu to mark any of the last 5 hands (including the current hand in progress) for review. PT4 does this a bit differently via the new tagging system in the expanded PT Hud menu. Both PT3 and PT4 can mark a hand with two clicks.

I had emailed support a while back and they assured me that they will not be forcing any of their customers to upgrade to newer versions if they didn't want to, so it doesn't look like that will be a problem.

for me HEM is better , interface looke's much better than PT

Many thanks for the info, PokerAce.

PT3 can do more than I thought. I stand corrected.

I definitely look forward to trialling PT4.

Thanks again.

Poker Ace and Bumblebee99

Thanks for the helpful replies.

Poker Ace...therein lies part of the problem of discussing this on 2+2. Years of history to wade thru...and if you don't at least make a stab at it, somebody kicks yer backside. I've no idea where I read the post re your developer discussing issues with PT3...but I'm sure I did somewhere.

Anyways...I'm adjusting my training and development strategy. I'll soldier on with PO for now and focus on working on some other areas of my game that are less dependent on having a wide range of HUD stats and displays and then upgrade towards the middle of the year when one, or both, of the main players are passed the roll out stage.

Incidentally, that is not a commercial decision...the cost is peanuts. I just don't have the time to spend learning how to use software properly whilst fighting its teething idiosyncracies.

I'll wait until...

I know it runs on my 4 year old entry level HP desktop.
It is well supported with a good (easy to follow) training package.
It gets the nod from the majority of 2+2 members.

"It" can be PT4 or HEM2...could'nt give a monkeys as long as it does what it says on the tin.

I Have hm2, and no matter how much i want to use it, i cant. it blows right now. thats not up for debate.

the interface on hm2 is so bad it looks like it was designed by a blind man. they have gone so far to try and design something that looks "cool" that they forgot all about functionality.
I think its fair to say pt3 had a way better interface then hm1 and going by what ive seen so far pt4 will blitz usablity of hm2

in terms of the functionality of each, i think hm2 had some good ideas, but i just cant use them because of the poor interface and the ridiculous resource intensiveness (crap wording i know). I havent yet used pt4 so i wont be bigging it up until i get my hands on it. But its like this for me so far. ive owned hm1 and pt3 and ive received a copy of hm2 as i was involved in the early alpha testing of it. and despite it being free, i am still not going to use it and will pay for pt4 when its released.

I don't think that at this stage we can compare PT4 with HEM2, one is early beta and not even fully public yet and one is final released product, it is just not fair comparison.

Always going to be personal style choice, there just isnt enough difference between the programmes content wise imo

+1
just want to add: it's how you use the collected hands matters, not the program.

i spent some silly amount of time trying to get PT3 to place HUD correctly on tables. the same was "out of the box" for HEM2. Eventually i gave up and completely reinstalled the PT3 - all my nightmare went away. Though i was very frustrated ( to put it mildly) with PT3 i failed to convert to HEM. For me it was a big thing to see the log of hands been imported. VS no indicator in HEM2.
So - run both see which one you like better and concentrate on the game. gl

Still don't know why HM2 is a released product.
Still don't know why they made the interface so horribly.
Still don't know why the ease of use of HM1 was lost.

Hoping PT4 is a big improvement over PT3 or we will just be left with two mediocre options. It's a race to see who can fix their mistakes faster.

my HUD in HM2 is completely screwed up, i am so pissed off.

So i went out and bought HM2 and so far have been pretty happy with it, apart from the initial bugs and trying to install the bugger!

never tried PT3 so wouldn't have a said opinion on it. For now HM2 works fine, looks pretty good and have a ton of features that will take me hours to get round to looking at properly.

having said that, does anyone know a decent 'training' site or videos (apart from the ones from HM2 cause they're pretty terrible) about how to take full use of HUDS and the rest of the software. It feels like i'm missing out on a TON of possible options, stats and general help in improving my game

nice one!

bump for this

i crrently have the small stakes version of both PT3 and HEM1, pretty annoyed that i dont seem to be able to upgrade my HEM1 to pro version. or even just buy the product on its own again.

I did see that if i buy PT3 full now I will get a free upgrade to PT4. do people think this is the way to go?

re-bump please guys

According to a Pokertracker tweet 3 days ago, the public PT4 beta will likely be available within the month. So why not wait a couple of days and test it for free?

I can't wait to test PT4 too and here is why:
I've been using HEM1 happily since the day they started their business, but HEM2 seems really crappy in so many ways.
Still buggy as hell. I mean this is not beta anymore, they are charging money. Still WTSD shows a completely wrong value in the HUD, stuff like that...

Even more important: the whole experience is so lame. The software is not very responsive. Using the replayer is a pain. Click to see the next step, wait a second before anything happens. And this is on a brandnew killer hardware setup.
Marking hands while playing is a difficult process and costs mental space that you would want to use vs. the opposition at the tables.
So far the basics that you will need to use hundreds and thousands of times on a daily basis are really screwed. And this is what has top priority for me. I don't care for internet Sync and what not, if the basics don't work smoothly!

Big opportunity for PT to gain a huge chunk of market share. I pray that PT4 will be what I want, gogogo...

I've said it before but shall say it again. PT4 is much better than HEM2 for sure. They haven't got all the visuals that HEMs are popular because of but the depth that you can go into with PT4 is incredible.

If you are willing to spend the time learning about PT4 then you will be amazed at what it can offer you. HEM is so popular imo because it is easy to use and is very very colourful and visual but HEM2 has gone waay too far with this.

Feb. bump to save from archiving

When PT4 will be RTM ? Does anyone know ? What about the price ? (hope not too exepensive so I could buy it if possible within a few months)

HEM2 is better imo.

Still in beta. If you have P3T3 you can get it.

Oh, wow. Constructive.