Has it changed ?

Certainly you could still buy HM1 on the site after HM2 release version came out. I don't know if that's changed recently.

I don't believe HM1 is available to buy anymore. As of right now HM2 >>> PT3. If you want to wait a few months to test out the supposed vastly improved PT4 you could do so. I'm not thrilled with HM2 but PT3 is a joke.

HM1 is still available for DL on their web site ... "Support" > "Downloads" ... its at the bottom of the page ...

If PT3 is a "joke" I'm not laughing, it is far more customizable than HEM. I like HEM and was using it for a long time, it was easier to use than PT3. HM2 is just a trainwreck, too buggy to use ATM, and the UI is just a confusing mess IMO

But I have the PT4 beta now, and it is the absolute nutz IMO. Much easier to use now, fully customizable, lots of extra features like ICM calc built in, Omaha support included, and NoteTracker is the best thing since sliced bread! (maybe a dated metaphor?)

Unless HM2 gets a complete overhaul very soon, I'm convinced that PT4 will crush HM2 in 2012

But PokerAce already gave the best reply, try both on a free trial (when PT4 is public) and use the one that you like the best.

I seriously don't know who programmed the HM2 UI. It's really, really bad. But PT3 was awful compared to HM and I'm not budging on my opinion there

I loved PT2 and sincerely hope PT4 is a good piece of software. It's just hard to get excited about software I can't see yet when the past work was so underwhelming.

I have 3 requests that I want in a software: 1) Easy to use and powerful report section. This was the worst part of PT3, so I hope they've fixed it. 2) A useful replayer. This was the second worst part of PT3. 3) A strong, bug free, lag free HUD. With PokerAce working for PT4 I doubt this would be anything but top notch.

If PT4 has all of the above then I'd happily buy the software. HM2 currently has all 3 except riddled with bugs and a horrid UI. (seriously WTF UI builder?)

HM2 upgrade discount ends Jan 31st, so I hope they get the beta out before then.

1. HEM1 had the option to build custom reports or to use custom reports built by someone else if you don't know MySQL and xml.

For example you could build a custom report to show your hands/winnings by tourney M (green/yellow/red/gray) or any kind of custom report you want to have.

2. HEM1 has/had custom stats you could use in order to analyze better your play. Also, you could use stats made by someone else if you don't know MySQL and xml.
Also, it has/had a lot of built in stats like you see in this image:


3. HEM1 has/had (custom) filters.


4. HEM2 has a better replayer, it shows real time hand EV/equity, it can replay multiple hand at a time and even one session, it has a nice interface.

5. HEM2 has a more beautiful interface and the possibility to show to you multiple kind of graphs.

Does PT4 have all of these ?

I think the answer is NO, so this is why I think a future working HEM2 would be much better than PT4. Am I right ?

Thank you !


PS: HEM2 imports hands much way faster than before. How PT4 deals with this ?

no

KohINoor are you going to spam this thread with duplicate posts every time a poster has an opinion that differs from yours? (and a member who has actually used all the programs in question?)

I will look forward to an opinion from you sometime in January when the public beta of PT4 is out and you have actually used that program.

And I am guessing you have not used PT3 either, as you would know that a user can make any stat that is needed, or create an infinite number of custom reports, and not be limited to choosing from a list of predefined ones or coding in SQL (like avg poker players can do that??)

PT4 also has many features (already mentioned by several ITT) that HM2 does not have at all.....for example, can HM2 can make detailed notes on every villain automatically, while you play? No, it can't....it just drops tourney results randomly, HUD crashes when multi-tabling, and having 2 poker sites open at once routinely freezes the hand importing. Not to mention the terribad UI, which is so confusing that even the developer can't explain it here.

This is incorrect. Hm2 does have this feature. It is a paid add-on though but the feature set is vastly larger than the pt4 version.

UI is a matter of opinion. You don't like it and that's fine but at no point was I asked or did I attempt to explain anything related to UI so your statement is pure rhetoric.

Sreti, a "paid add-on" means it is not included in the program. My statement is 100% accurate. I suppose you also think HM2 has Omaha support, since that is basically a paid add-on as well? Get real.

Yeah, my statement about explaining the UI was rhetoric. But I have yet to find anyone I know personally (read 'trust') that likes the UI, so I'm going to stand by my comment that the thing is a mess, and very confusing.

I just switched one of my horses over to PokerTracker from HM2 (since we have had nothing but problems with MTT results and importing hands issues) - his direct quote in skype today was "man this is so much better than hem2 lol"

I use HEM and really dis liked PT3.

I used the 30 day trial of HM2 with every intention of upgrading from 1 when said trial ended, but as had been said before, to buggy, to slow and a resource monster.

I will give PT4 a chance so long as they put a good trial period with it, it's just a shame I won't be able to trial HM2 in the future to see if they iron out the bugs.

End of the day though, if I don't like PT4 I'm more than happy with HEM1

Nope but I thought none wanna respond to my questions. Sorry !

Me too !

You are wrong ! I used PT3 as a trial version but there is no option to do what are you saying.
Could you show to me, please, with some pictures(or a demo vid) of PT3 doing what are you talking about ?
How you can do what do you want are you saying above ?
I saw that PT3 have the option to build custom reports but from a predefined reports either and not from a newly made ones. Am I right ? Explain detailed, please !

It offers the possibility to create custom filters either ? How ?

How you could create a custom stat/report/filter (a newly one) without using SQL/xml language ?

Where you've seen this in PT3 or PT4 ? I saw all demo videos from the site and there is no such a feature in PT4 yet.
I think HEM1 doesn't have such problems.

Look harder. All custom stats/reports information is on their website.

Some options may be limited on the trial version.

Yes there is. Look harder.

btw, bold red text isn't necessary.

I think you are talking about this.
http://www.pokertracker.com/products...stom-stats.php


But, what I want to know how it is possible to build your own without downloading a pre-made one ? Is this possible ? How ?

So, you currently have no tracking software ?

I'm not sure why you think its so super important to have the facility to create custom stats anyway, over and above the huge number that are already available. What particular stat do you think you need that isn't already there ?

In other words: "If HEM2 was something it definitely is not, it would be better, right?"

Yes, if HEM2 wasn't HEM2 it would be better. Unfortunately for all of us, HEM2 actually is HEM2, and HEM2 is buggy as all get-out. So no, I doubt it's any better than PT4, but then again I haven't tested PT4, much as I would like to.

http://www.pokertracker.com/products/PT3/freetrial.php

You'll need a paid-for registered version.

Re: Auto note taking.

I have the PT4 beta and the Notetracker feature works great.

I'm not going to get into this HEM vs PT3 stuff because I've never used any of the HEM products so I have no frame of reference as to the differences.

Right now, I've very pleased with the PT4 beta. The only thing that I don't like right now is that the statistic pages (not the HUD) take longer to load than they did in PT3.


Doc

Hi,
I have HEM2. My biggest issue is with the interface. It's poorly though out. But that's not why I'm posting here...

Based on my experience of working in the tech indiustry for many years I suspect that commercial imperatives have overridden technical integrity and quality with the HEM2 project. It certainly does kind of look like they've dropped the ball just like pokertracker did with PT3. Pokertracker, on the other hand, are in the position of having to play catchup. They can't afford to screw up. While I haven't used the PT4 beta it does look like they've stepped things up big time with their technical execution. Time will tell on that one...

I think the truth of this is that whoever keeps their eyes on technical quality and forward looking development will win out. That's easy to say but very hard to do. The money men always interfere way too much for that to be the case. Anyway, I'll certainly be having a look at PT4. If it can take my off-table analysis to the next level (I like the HEM hud) then I might go for it. But I'll only do so if it can import histories from HEM.


NL

I'm hoping the developers are still around to answer....

I find this poker software discussion more than a little irritating. Here's why.

I need to buy new tracking software as I am recently transistioning from STT SNGs to 6Max Cash at the micro level. Although I don't multi table (it's not in my training and development strategy, because I am aiming one day for live play), I need to learn and deploy a HUD to deepen my understanding of the game and counteract the edge that other HUD users will ahve over me.

Currently I have Poker Office (got it free) just for basic stats and odds calculations (which I try and do in my head anyway). Nobody seems to use Poker Office, so I'm going with the herd and moving to HEM or PT.

Trying to be a good 2+2 er, I've read countless threads on both and downloaded the HEM2 trial.

Here's where I get frustrated.

HEM2 is reportedly buggy and resource intensive...I want to buy software, not a new computer. HEM1 is no longer available (or is it?) PT4 is not out yet. PT3 has lots of bad press.

What I'm looking for is working software with a good track record...which would seem to be HEM1...so can I still buy that?

PS

Used to work as a tester/deployer for EDS, so I know a little about software development/deployment & support. So far not hugely impressed with how it is done in the poker industry.

Me too, because you cbfa to trial PT3 and see what it's like for yourself, yet you trial one after all your research that is, reportedly, buggy and then bitch about it.

All your research should have led you to the conclusion to trial them both, and see which you prefer.

Not wishing to be confrontational...merely looking for answers.

To clarify....

I have not used either PT or HEM (nor bitched about them). I'd like a steer or guidance from members as to which is the most robust, intuitive and well-supported product (the hallmarks of any decent software) because we join forums to benefit from the experience and independence of the forum members. I've posted politely and tried to carry out as much research as I can first.

Much of the stuff on 2+2 relates to HEM1 (which I think is no longer available, but happy to be corrected if I'm wrong) or PT3, which the majority view (and one of their own developers) report as being problematic.

I have downloaded the trial of HEM2...didn't like it and plenty of forum members have said they are sticking with HEM1 for now. I don't see the point in downloading the trial of PT3, if more knowledagble forum members than me have slated it (and also it is about to be superseded).

Finally, still hoping for some feedback on Poker Office (which I currently use) and why nobody uses it. PS I got because it is mentioned by Collin Moshman is his SNG book.

Perhaps a helpful forum member would steer me towards which one I should buy as of now?

Perhaps one of the PT4 team could let me know when the trial version will be generally downloadable?

Perhaps one of the HEM team could let me know if HEM1 is still available to purchase?

Of course I could (and shortly will) contact the relevant customer support teams...but I joined 2+2 to get the benefit of members experience, hence asking here first.

If i've installed HEM 2 am i able to still uninstall it after, and then re-install HEM 1?

I thought hem1 was still available, but could be wrong about this.

What is true though is that thousands of people used and preferrred pt3 over hem. (I've never used pt3 btw, always been a hem1 user, but I know many who like pt3 just fine)

Many thanks