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06-08-2021 , 04:38 PM
Global Poker - the Gold Coin games are fake chips.
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06-08-2021 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by VBAces
Global Poker - the Gold Coin games are fake chips.
Perfect. Thx.
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06-26-2021 , 03:04 PM
Yatahay Network - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP+1): 113.5 BB
MP+2: 152.5 BB
CO: 100 BB
BTN: 72.5 BB
SB: 39 BB
BB: 108.5 BB
UTG: 64.5 BB
UTG+1: 95.5 BB
MP: 107.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, MP+2 calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 3 players) 5 T J
BB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, fold, fold

Hero wins 6.5 BB
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06-26-2021 , 08:48 PM
I think you mean slow played, not slow rolled. And no particular reason to do so. You can easily get called by a lot of hands. You might as well try to build a pot. If they fold, they really don't have anything.
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06-27-2021 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by legionrainfall
How does this work? Where can I learn about this?
How do you know you won't be called by a weaker hand?


Hero = KK

Flop = AK5

Everyone says "you will never be called by weaker hand. Stupid to bet"
Why? Who says AK won't call?
someone saying this in this particular situation should be put in a mental institution

it's more like when you have a medium strength hand and villain is folding any weaker hands
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08-26-2021 , 03:33 AM
Don't run before you can walk
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08-26-2021 , 08:51 AM
Shouldn’t take you very long to memorize a couple ranges and push/fold charts once you have some basic understanding of the game.

Doesn’t have anything to do with putting in solver work. That stuff is available for free all over the web.
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08-26-2021 , 12:24 PM
Memorizing the charts exactly is fine, but probably not completely necessary. Use the charts to get an idea of how wide you should be shoving and the types of hands you should shove. You aren’t likely to make huge mistakes by not having these perfectly memorized. You will shove the premiums and hands that have relatively large +EV to shove; these are the ones you’d intuitively shove anyway. The hands lower in the chart’s shove range tend to be more marginally profitable. Screwing up and not shoving these is a mistake, but likely not a huge one.

You should not follow the charts blindly anyway, but adjust (somewhat) to your opponents. If they’re calling too wide, shove more tightly than the charts indicate. If they’re overfolding then widen.your shoving range.
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08-27-2021 , 03:44 PM
I don't think so, unless you find some of the worst players in the world, but then the problem is you're going to need to play 50.000 of these to beat variance.

So, no, very unlikely that rake is beatable.
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08-27-2021 , 05:11 PM
Stop trolling and move on.
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08-28-2021 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by qweqwe123
Live touranments here ain't worth playing because of the rake. I put in 60+ hour work weeks. I want to play super high rollers and crush but it seems impossible. I only have access to acr and ignition. Is the dream dead of moving up to play the biggest mtts in the world? Only way I think it might be possible is to play a 2k when they come up and win 100k and go and play a 100k and take it down. That might be my only shot at playing super high rollers.

I was thinking of doing just a ton of study 10-15 hours a week and go and play a 2k or higher once covid has gone. Online is pretty **** and I don't like it. I allready own a property outright. So basically just don't care if I burn through 100k trying to build a roll. If I win a million I'd probably go for it and play the one drop.
If you are still trying to figure out if daily turbos are profitable, you will be chewed to tiny bits of hamburger meat in a 2K event.
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09-08-2021 , 09:46 AM
wtf...
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09-08-2021 , 10:47 AM
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09-08-2021 , 11:40 AM
I'm just curious what you edited.
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09-10-2021 , 02:26 PM
I suck at poker, but I think the problem ITT is that people assume other people act rationally. They simply don’t. We’re not computers. If people always acted rationally there would be no such thing as bluffing. People are stupid, including me.
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09-10-2021 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by murph69
If people always acted rationally there would be no such thing as bluffing.
While I agree that people don't always act rationally, the above statement just isn't true. You are suggesting that betting in hopes of winning lot of money because you think your opponent will fold is irrational. If done in the right circumstances, it is actually a very rational thing to do.
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09-10-2021 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by VBAces
While I agree that people don't always act rationally, the above statement just isn't true. You are suggesting that betting in hopes of winning lot of money because you think your opponent will fold is irrational. If done in the right circumstances, it is actually a very rational thing to do.
I can agree with that
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09-11-2021 , 06:31 AM
Bluffing is a fundamental part of poker. If everybody were perfectly rational bluffing would be going on all the time.
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09-11-2021 , 10:56 PM
Yes, bluffing is not irrational. If you never bluffed, your opponents would quickly figure that out and never pay off your aggression when you make a hand. If you did that, and your opponents reacted by never calling, the most rational thing in the world would be to start betting whether you have a hand or not — that is bluff. After all if your opponents never call, why would you wait until you have a hand to bet and win the pot.

Of course, your opponents are not dumb; they’ll notice that you’re betting a lot and start calling. You then adjust by bluffing less. They will then call less, and so on. It would seem like this adjustment could go on forever, but the branch of mathematics called game theory tells us that it will not. Rational players will reach an equilibrium state where any adjustments by anyone would result in a lower win rate. In technical terms this is called a Nash Equilibrium, and less formally it’s referred to as GTO (Game Theory Optimal) strategy. You may hear either or both of these terms on here. Don’t worry, though, nobody actually can play GTO poker, and true as GTO strategy is only approximately known.

The main point of it is as a study tool. It can tell you about how often, and in what situations you should bluff, what type of hands you should play, give insight on when and how much to bet, and so on. Being familiar with it is a good starting point for learning to play poker.
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09-25-2021 , 10:23 AM
I saw a video about a year ago wear the players are wearing headphones (they cannot hear each other) and as they play, they explain their thinking process as they play each hand. It's like a training video.
Does anyone have a link or a title for this video?
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09-27-2021 , 08:50 AM
I believe the 'Solve for Why' folks did a few of these but they may have taken them down?

You may be able to back door them in Marle's or Rampage's older Vlogs.

I do like the concept and enjoyed what I saw at the time .. although I think they still need 'solid' dividers since some lip reading skill exists in all of us. And quite obviously if a Player is chatting away before making a decision then one could assume that they are pretty connected to the ongoing hand. GL
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09-29-2021 , 10:22 AM
This is kind of convoluted here .. Is there a poker question?

You make about 60k a year? How do you get to 120k? Well, it's not going to be playing 'daily' tournaments at the casino. Even if you crushed and cashed about 20% of the time I'm not sure you could consistently show an average of 800/week profit with payouts so top heavy.

What about cash play? You could play small cash sessions to try and earn BI for the larger 'better' tournaments where your ROI might be better. If you plan on being in the casino every day, then mixing cash and tournaments would be better long run. If you are decent at poker then $500 a week is attainable just in cash sessions IMO.

You also have to look at best use of your time. Is it better to try and improve your employment opportunities or spend the vast majority of your waking hours at both work and the casino?

You also could consider a part time job at night (instead of 'always' going to casino) to earn those entries into the larger tournaments. What about online poker? Perhaps not available in your area.

It's good that you are thinking forward about your financial goals. But you'll find that the majority of folks here will suggest that you keep poker a hobby that 'may' make you a profit instead of 'forcing' poker to be your supplementary income option until you really know it will pay off in the first place. GL
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09-29-2021 , 10:32 AM
I’d wait until I increased my non-poker income rather than rely on poker to supplement it. If you are dead set against a 4 year degree, what about trade or technical schools? There are some career paths that pay pretty well that require some education, but not a university degree (plumbing, welding, auto mechanics, etc.)

If you are dead set on playing now, why not play 1-2 tourneys a week? Instead of risking 87.5% of your weekly income on tourney buyins, you’d be risking a much more manageable percentage. Plus, I don’t know how much experience you have playing poker, but this would give you an opportunity to evaluate whether you can really play well enough to make a serious go at it down the road without it costing you too much money.

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11-26-2021 , 03:41 PM
I want to play live poker tournaments all day everyday. That's what I what to do with my life.

Would playing online to start with be a good idea? I'm considering playing micros online ($5.50 and below) everyday to start with until I got enough buy-ins to play live everyday.

I'm only going to 1 table online if I play online. I work a job to make money ATM.

I believe in God and believe God determines whether we win that flip or get KK and hit a K on the flop and stack someone with AA when we are behind all in preflop.

I studied a guy like daniel negreanu and he's owed millions and is pretty generous from what I see. Someone like Stu Unger was the same but his behavior was pretty bad at times like urinating on dealers (probably a one of thing i dunno) and his drug abuse.

Stu was probably the worst cash game player but the best tournament player in that time. Doyle said that in a interview.

I won't play cash games or do sports betting or casino games like Stu did or like Gus Hansen did. Gus Hansen was a good tournament player too but played online cash and got crushed. Even he says in joeys podcast that he won a ton in live tournaments but blew alot of money playing online cash which he aint good at. Same with a guy like sam trickett. Lost alot of money playing online PLO but just crushed live tournaments. I'm crushing live tournaments but I don't work much, go out to nightclubs and spend money (probably should stop that) and play online tournaments at higher stakes like playing $1050 buy-ins with $10000.

I'm thinking of just sticking to playing $50-$400 live tournaments and work from there. The $400 one comes up once a month but most of the time its playing $50-$60 ones. I think I'm going to quit the nightclubs but i will miss all the makeouts im getting in there and getting off my head having alot of fun. I spend $2000 in 3 days the other week. Bouncers asking if i have any responsibility because im out all the time. (im out once a week sometimes twice but i'm remembered and they think im out all the time). People think I'm rich because of this reason. I kinda am cause I want what i have. Right now its writing this post. Im mc loving it.

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11-26-2021 , 08:35 PM
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I want to play live poker tournaments all day everyday. That's what I what to do with my life.

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This is a huge mistake. How old are you?
Poker will get boring after a few weeks of full time playing.
And then you're left with nothing, no career, no skills.
Don't fall for the mirage
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