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04-10-2011 , 12:02 PM
I am confused when I should be playing small suited connectors (at a full 1/2 NL live table) and when to fold them.
Example: I have 87clubs. I am in the SB. Gets folded to cutoff (solid player) who raises 3xBB. Folded to me. I have read that I should fold here, but if I was on the button, it would be a good call. I don't understand why. Whats the difference between calling from the button and the SB if I am heads up in both situations ?
I have read that I would have a tough time making money here in the SB , even if I hit a good flop - and then states that I could make money if I was on the button.

Also In certain books I have read with small suited connectors you want to be playing them in a large field and some books say that you want to play them against 1 or 2 opponents. Who is right ?

Your opinions would be greatly appreciated.


thanks
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04-10-2011 , 02:49 PM
postion. that is all my friend
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04-10-2011 , 02:50 PM
oh and i could outplay you on the button without looking at my cards if you wanna play from the sb
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04-10-2011 , 05:29 PM
The difference is your position, and it's HUGE here. He gets to act last after everything you do and decide if his hand is worth playing or if he can bluff you off. Meanwhile all you can do is just guess about what he has. Think about it, lets pretend you flop a flush draw. Now what? Do you check? Do you just lead out into him even though he raised you? Lets say you check and he bets, do you check-raise? What if he shoves allin? How do you feel about your hand now? You gonna call it all off with a draw? You might even be drawing dead. What if you lead out into him and he raises you, now what? What if you lead into him, he calls, and you hit your flush on the turn, and HE goes allin? How happy are you now?

Every possible scenario is a complete crapshoot for you.
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04-10-2011 , 06:32 PM
You play suited connectors in position and deep stacked.
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04-10-2011 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
The difference is your position, and it's HUGE here. He gets to act last after everything you do and decide if his hand is worth playing or if he can bluff you off. Meanwhile all you can do is just guess about what he has. Think about it, lets pretend you flop a flush draw. Now what? Do you check? Do you just lead out into him even though he raised you? Lets say you check and he bets, do you check-raise? What if he shoves allin? How do you feel about your hand now? You gonna call it all off with a draw? You might even be drawing dead. What if you lead out into him and he raises you, now what? What if you lead into him, he calls, and you hit your flush on the turn, and HE goes allin? How happy are you now?

Every possible scenario is a complete crapshoot for you.
Thank you for this very understandable and logical explanation . This is a better explanation than I have read in any book, where they don't go thru the various possibilities as you have done. I appreciate you giving your time to explain this to me. thanks again
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04-11-2011 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by dublin59
I am confused when I should be playing small suited connectors (at a full 1/2 NL live table) and when to fold them.
Example: I have 87clubs. I am in the SB. Gets folded to cutoff (solid player) who raises 3xBB. Folded to me. I have read that I should fold here, but if I was on the button, it would be a good call. I don't understand why. Whats the difference between calling from the button and the SB if I am heads up in both situations ?
I have read that I would have a tough time making money here in the SB , even if I hit a good flop - and then states that I could make money if I was on the button.

Also In certain books I have read with small suited connectors you want to be playing them in a large field and some books say that you want to play them against 1 or 2 opponents. Who is right ?

Your opinions would be greatly appreciated.


thanks
Shouldn't play SCs oop HU because position is so important, it's going to be hard to play your hand oop when you flop an average draw. However if you were in position you could decide whether you wanted to build the pot or check behind to try to hit draw.

I think that if it was multiway then playing a SC oop wouldn't be that bad but would still much rather be IP.
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04-11-2011 , 09:10 AM
it's much more acceptable to play them OOP live than online because people pay you off when you hit more and theres a greater chance of you getting into multiway pots and you don't fear being squeezed as much
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04-11-2011 , 10:59 AM
You want to see a cheap flop with suited connectors. Most of the time you will be throwing your hand away, but when you hit the flop well you can get paid off.

In this case it is all about position.
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04-11-2011 , 03:58 PM
At a $1/2 table it's not awful to play them OOP depending on your table. Most players practically tell you their hands by the turn so you can see if you have the only flush draw at the time. Just make sure you have a decent idea on how each person in that pot plays before doing so!
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04-11-2011 , 04:15 PM
Most live games it would be 4 plus players seeing the flop, I'd play it. The way you describe that would be short handed, easy fold
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04-11-2011 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wheattaco
postion. that is all my friend
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04-11-2011 , 10:24 PM
I agree Position is everything here, also the fact your connectors are suited only give a 4% edge over offsuit connectors. SB heads up is not a good play with either, the play should be fold as stated above. You really want a big hand here, its not like players are trying to steal blinds in 1/2 you know the cut off was most likely hoping to pick up the button call Sb, and BB with 3x raise....GL
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