A good friend of mine says I played this hand horribly, but I don't see it. Your thoughts?

https://rumble.com/vgq7n3-priced-in-...ck-raise..html

My charts say preflop is a fold. 3-gappers just aren't very good since they only make one two card straight and it's never the nut straight (except AT obviously). I think it's a leak but I wouldn't call it horrible.

SB's call should actually make you play tighter. When the SB folds you benefit from the .5BB of dead money to pad your odds and his cold calling range isn't exactly weak. This hand would still be a fold if SB had folded, though.

I don't see how the flop check-raise could be horrible. Combo draws are often good bluff candidates. It is a problem that you're multiway and both players have dominating draws in their ranges but I don't think that would be enough to discourage you from bluffing here. Maybe I'm wrong and NFDs are better multiway bluff raises.

This is probably a fold pre, but since you’re getting decent odds and close the action, it’s probably not terrible. OTF, By check raising you re-open the action allowing you to get blown off your equity (which is significant.) are you calling off here if you get jammed on? Yes, V can open wide from the button, but they’ve also c-bet which narrows their range. The other poster is right, the presence of the SB should tighten your range a bit too. Call the half pot bet getting 4:1 on your money and reevaluate OTT. I just think you have too much equity to turn this into a bluff.


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that's hard to understand or accept. because its $1 to enter a pot of $3.50. And you don't have to actually be best hand, you can outplay them?

Do you mean preflop or post? Because the situation is different. From your post, I think you mean pre. So we’ll go with that.

Short answer: 95s is pretty trash and you have a raise and call in front of you meaning at least the SB has some sort of decent hand. But, you’re getting good odds and you close the action. So I don’t hate the call pre.

Im curious what you mean by “outplay them”. What does that term mean to you?


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I agree that it's just a fold pre. 95s just isn't good enough. Even if you have direct pot odds you're not gonna get to realize your equity often. Crappy implied odds. Every player thinks they have a "postflop edge".

Postflop XR seems fine if your hand is strong enough to call a jam. Calling is also fine. It's hard to go wrong with the straight/flush draw.

Win without the best hand, minimize losses, maximize winnings. Make good folds, bets, raises, and such......

I agree. However: the part of their range that folds to our raise is also, probably, slowing down on the turn. So if we miss, we likely Get two chances to make our hand and realize our equity without getting it all in OTF. If we miss by the river, we can always bluff then with no SDV and the worst hand in our range.

We’re getting better than 4:1 with 50% equity, if we can realize that equity while minimizing variance, I think that’s a massive win.

But yes, if you’re prepared to stack off here, the x/r is ok. I just think x/c is a better line.


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You gotta draw the line somewhere. You wouldn't call 72o right? Obviously 95s isn't that bad but it's just not really strong enough to make a profit here against two other players. Maybe if you have a big edge.

The other thing to consider is balance. Do we really have any value hands in our preflop calling ranhe that want to x/r this board? We don’t have AA, KK, or QQ. So maybe JJ? That would be about the only value hand we have that would want to x/r this flop and even then, I think I favor a lead on such a wet board against two opponents.


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Why wouldn't you want to x/r 77, 66, 76s?

I guess I discounted us calling that low, but that was an error. I’m still not sure I’m x/r such a wet board with any value hands. Probably leading 1/3 pot. Too many draws available to give free cards to.


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I think I play those hands exact same way

gotta mix it up, right?

Eww...just...eww. Fold pre. 95 is such a garbage hand, I can't imagine why anyone who wants to make money playing poker would play it here. No, you don't gotta mix it up. A mistake is a mistake.

When I read the title ("suited gappers"), I expected something like T8s or 97s, and even then I would lean towards a fold. But this. This is not even in a class of hands other than "hot garbage."

+1

While the PF Pot Odds argument is always there you just have to consider the reverse implied odds, even on a Flop like this one. You could still be drawing to very few outs .. and a Player who shows 'interest' in your c/r will more than likely block quite a few of the outs that improve you or improve to a better hand themselves with the same card.

Do you really like a gutter that puts a 4-liner on the Board to a ten? You not only have to call the $1 PF you may have to call off another bet on 9xx or 5xx Boards.

Yes, sure, your opponent can't have everything blocked, but how many times do you need to raise and take it to win $4.50 v getting stacked for $80+ once? Quite a few

You're also calling to be in the middle of the SB and B.

I don't think it's that fact that you 'played' it horrible per se, it's (as noted often above) it's the fact that you played it at all.

Posters here aren't really interested in 'get out of jail free' threads since they want you to stay out of jail in the first place, so why get comfortable getting out of it?

While the 'out play them' is also a consideration, you'll really need to explain how you'll pull that off (often enough) when you'll be forced to out play them on Boards that actually hit their ranges while you're holding these. I agree that aggression at 'any' passive table can win some pots, I think you also need a holding that can produce a few whoppers instead of looking over your shoulder types like 95 (Dolly). GL

Lol according to the BTS preflop bible ranges, 96s is a defend against a 2.2x LoJack open, I'm pretty sure calling 95s here is a lot closer to the truth than folding T8s. That being said against a 3x it's still a bad call.

Actually seeing as both the BTN and the SB are short, they are clearly fish, this is definitely a justifiable call pre. However against fish, why raise the flop? Just wait until you've made a good hand then make them put a lot of money into the pot while behind. This hand is tough to analyse because it's played pre as if against fish, but post is played as if against regs. All in all it is not a horribly played hand at all, don't worry mate

that is an incredibly naive assumption to make

I mean I of course know there are good shortstackers but who shortstacks full ring 90bb deep? That's a fish 90% of the time

I know several coaches in their videos and books talk about the 1st way to spot fish at the table is who is willing to play with short stacks without topping off.

I am going to label someone who defends their bb with 95s to a 3x open as a fish.


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T8s and 97s are not close to folds. You should work on your nittiness in HE.

+1 to the guy who said folding those is a bigger mistake than calling 95s. Even 96s is probably a call here.

either way, its all good discussion.