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11-24-2009 , 11:11 AM

fish491

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UTG: having PP 3-8's , how many times the BB shoudl you open?
PP 9's- A's same question

MP : someone limped => having PP 3's- to 8's => reraise?
someone opened, PP 3's - 8's => reraising or just plain call? call till how many BB max?
BTN+ cutoff : same questions

blinds : same questions

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11-24-2009 , 11:27 AM

circusmidget

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I've taken to open-raising any pocket pair in any position for the most part as advised to me by 2p2ers. Occasionally I'll fold one (like deuces UTG) depending on the table and/or how I'm feeling at the time.

I'll flat any standard raise if the villain has a reasonable stack behind him or her, otherwise probably better off folding.

If there's limpers in front, I'll limp behind for a cheap flop.

Don't raise any differently than you would AA, AK etc when you do raise. It'll help balance your range if anyone is actually paying attention.

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11-24-2009 , 11:31 AM

mojo6911

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Originally Posted by fish491

UTG: having PP 3-8's , how many times the BB shoudl you open?
PP 9's- A's same question

I would open any pocket pair in any position to 4x BB. Maybe 3x if you like in later position.

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Originally Posted by fish491

MP : someone limped => having PP 3's- to 8's => reraise?
someone opened, PP 3's - 8's => reraising or just plain call? call till how many BB max?
BTN+ cutoff : same questions

blinds : same questions

If you are in MP and the UTG limped, they are terrible and you should be playing pots against someone like this in position. Reraise 4x BB + 1BB for the limper. Most flops you can c-bet and take it down. Don't continue past the flop with just a small pocket pair. Most people lose money by continuing too far with them.

If someone opens ahead of you, you really only want to play small pocket pairs for set value. You need to see their stack size when you determine whether you will call or fold. If they have 15x the original raise in their stack, call. If less than that, fold. Example, it is 10NL. They raise to 4x. They need to have at least a $6 stack for you to be able to call profitably. Preferably, even more behind. Generally, it is pretty bad to 3 bet with a pocket pair to an early position opener.

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11-24-2009 , 12:01 PM

ajrenni

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Before you do anything, you should ask yourself the following questions:

How can I exploit the other players at the table?
- Do they call too much pre-flop?
- Can I get value from a hand like 88 post flop?
- Do they fold too much to c-bets?
- Do they take TPTK too far?
How can I win with these two cards?
- Am I going to need to hit a set to win?
- Am I likely to be able to control the pot/get to showdown cheaply if I don't improve?
- Am I likely to be able to take down the pot with a c-bet if I don't improve?

Based on your answers to these questions, and taking into account your position, reads, stack sizes, and your hand, come up with a plan for the hand. Your plan should include:
- What you will do if you get raised
- What kinds of boards you will c-bet on if you don't improve, and against whom

If you can't come up with a profitable plan, fold

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11-24-2009 , 12:35 PM

fish491

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kk thx for your advice i'll read it again carefully and try to play like it

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11-24-2009 , 02:02 PM

Lego05

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Are we playing cash or tournaments? Assuming stack sizes of around 100BB's ..........

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Originally Posted by fish491

UTG: having PP 3-8's , how many times the BB shoudl you open?

6max or Full Ring. 6max I'd generally open to 4BB's just like I would everything else. Full Ring I may fold the lower of those from UTG but if I raise I'd go 4 or 5BB's.

PP 9's- A's same question

Same as the above without the folding part.

MP : someone limped => having PP 3's- to 8's => reraise?

You can't reraise a limp. You can raise it and I generally would. On the CO or button nowadays I generally raise the same amount I would have anyway though maybe not depending on the specific players and the stack sizes. From earlier than that I generally increase the size a little like a half a big blind though again depends on the other opponents and stack sizes.

At micros 4BB's + 1BB per limper is a pretty decent baseline standard.

If there are like 3 or more limpers I may limp behind with a smallish pocket pair .... depends on the opponents also.

someone opened, PP 3's - 8's => reraising or just plain call? call till how many BB max?
Usually call. If the raiser is a shortstack and you think it's +ev (with FE) to raise and get it all-in with him than raise can be good. If you call for set value then post-flop when you hit a set you have to be able to on average get him to put 11.7 times the amount you called pre-flop into the pot. With some of the mid pairs and bigger though you can generally win some pots without flopping a set ... even with the small pairs you can though less often I would say as with like 22 you generally win by flopping a set or bluffing and only rarely by showing down your pair of 2's. With 88 or 99 you can win much more often by showing down your pair unimproved.

BTN+ cutoff : same questions

If folded to I'd generally open to 3BB's but if there are fish in the blinds who have decent sized stacks, call a lot, don't 3bet too much, and play poorly post-flop I'd probably go 4BB's and maybe even 5. If there are good players in the blinds who won't call OOP too much but will 3bet a decent amount then I may make it 2.5BB's or may even minraise (on the button only, not CO). Or if there are shortstackers in the blinds I'd also often raise less than 3 unless maybe if they're not actual shortstackers but just fish with the short stacks in which I may make it 3.

If there are limpers I'd generally raise as explicitly discussed above.

As for if someone has already raised then basically same as above as said for other positions.

blinds : same questions

As for if someone has already raised same as above in the other positions ...... But if a decent player who steals a lot and doesn't stack off too light raises in LP then in the blinds I may fold or 3bet (primarily as a bluff) 22-66 instead of calling. The reason is these hands won't win unimproved much and villain is raising a wide range so when you flop a set he won't have a strong hand too often so you won't win enough post-flop from him when you flop a set .... unless maybe if he's awful post-flop and puts way too much money in a bunch. (66 I may call sometimes .... I think that's around the borderline in my thought process.)

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Last edited by Lego05; 11-24-2009 at 02:20 PM.

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11-24-2009 , 02:17 PM

fish491

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Originally Posted by Lego05

Are we playing cash or tournaments? Assuming stack sizes of around 100BB's ..........

Wrote in quote in bold.

thanks, good advice

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