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Overbet on the turn? Overbet on the turn?

08-23-2021 , 12:05 PM
Hey guys, I've been reading some stuff and have come across the concept of overbetting, and from what I saw is something that is more commonly done on the turn (although ofc possible on other streets). From what I understood, is something that we mostly want to do when we want our range to be polar.
I wanted to try to experiment a bit on this, but I'm quite lost on which kind of spots to pick (mainly on which board texture and range), I was wondering if this is something that is too "advanced" (I'm playing at NL5/10) or if is something that it is worth exploring more. Moreover, if this is the case, could you point me to some material about it (where the topic is covered reasonably deep?)

Thanks in advance!
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08-23-2021 , 05:34 PM
It's a pretty broad topic. Generally you want to overbet strong hands when smaller bet sizes are unlikely to get you allin by the river. Usually you only use overbets when the opponent has capped their range by prior actions. If their range is uncapped and strong enough to have a lot of raises your strong hands can still use a smaller size expecting to get raised often enough that overbetting isn't necessary. Usually a passive action on a prior street caps their range, so it might make sense to think about overbetting any time the aggressor checks the flop and turn is a brick, or the opponent just calls your flop bet and turn is a brick.

You may also want to overbet to deny equity. I know this isn't a turn example, but say you 2.5x RFI BU with 99 and BB calls. Flop is 842r. It might make sense to overbet here to force high cards to fold and you can continue betting overcard turns confidently. 1/4-1/2 pot c-bets would get called a lot by 2 overcard +BDFD type hands and turns like Kx are harder to continue getting value on. On this texture 99 is also fairly nutted because BB has an extremely low density of strong hands, so you're not worried about narrowing ranges too much with an overbet.
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08-23-2021 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
It's a pretty broad topic. Generally you want to overbet strong hands when smaller bet sizes are unlikely to get you allin by the river. Usually you only use overbets when the opponent has capped their range by prior actions. If their range is uncapped and strong enough to have a lot of raises your strong hands can still use a smaller size expecting to get raised often enough that overbetting isn't necessary. Usually a passive action on a prior street caps their range, so it might make sense to think about overbetting any time the aggressor checks the flop and turn is a brick, or the opponent just calls your flop bet and turn is a brick.

You may also want to overbet to deny equity. I know this isn't a turn example, but say you 2.5x RFI BU with 99 and BB calls. Flop is 842r. It might make sense to overbet here to force high cards to fold and you can continue betting overcard turns confidently. 1/4-1/2 pot c-bets would get called a lot by 2 overcard +BDFD type hands and turns like Kx are harder to continue getting value on. On this texture 99 is also fairly nutted because BB has an extremely low density of strong hands, so you're not worried about narrowing ranges too much with an overbet.
Thank you very much for your insights! Actually, I put the turn because I thought it was a much more frequent occurrence compared to overbetting otf, but good to see that is a weapon that can be use more than a thought in other scenarios. I'll try to research the topic more and implement it in my games. Thanks again!
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08-23-2021 , 07:34 PM
Turn overbets are indeed much more common than flop overbets. I just used that example because it's something I learned about relatively recently so it was at the top of my mind on this topic.
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