..bring pot odds to any use. I can simply not use them. I dont understand it even after reading the 1000 time.

Im really bad at math, numbers so to speak. I trying poker again after a year and Im still failing to understand and use the math. Its frustrating.
I understand emotions, maybe logic, but not numbers.

Is there anyone that uses a none math approach, not using numbers so to speak, who is a good player having profit? Any name or video?

I at least I want to know if its possible without any math to have the chance to be a good player or if I should just give up?

without any math probably not

You could play ABC poker and open only strong hands and fold to every raise on every street unless you have middle set or better

That might be profitable but there's a stake where this won't suffice and you'll have to get into more math or you'll make suboptimal decisions and effectively bleeding money away to people that know how to exploit you

You could try going for a GTO approach but this is math heavy too

Please tell me why you put " around the word geniuses. To me, that's like "so called" and I object to it since my IQ is 162 and I have a PhD in Math from Oxford University.

Search up Mathanoobics of poker by diamond dog, good explanations in there.

yeah I have all articles archived..all COTW's.. everything. My brain just seems not to be able to use the math lol. At the point someone comes with equations and combinations of cards in realtion to each other etc. I cant comprehend it. Not that I didnt try or want it..

I put it in ".." as It seems its pretty easy stuff to learn for many. I guess a high school guy with good grades in math could do the basic poker math with some studying. So I dont mean it bad. Congrats for the phd. I really envy you.
I was always the worst in math class..tough good in language, history, observing and stuff...

it's just basic math, you don't need to go into equations for pot odds...

have you ever done shopping at the grocery store?

you just need to apply some basic operations...

say you're drawing to a straight, it comes 1 out of 3 times, if there are other two players in the pot, this is gonna be a break even play in the long run unless you manage to extract another bet when you hit...

you pay 1 to win 3(you're bet included), you win 1 in 3, you get 3

with the same logic, if there are other 3 players in pot, you're freerolling

you pay 1 to win 4(you're bet included), you win 1 in 3, you get 4

if it's just you and another one, you don't have the price to draw therefore you need to extract money when you hit to make this play profitable in the long run...

I left out things like position and implied odds which are very important to complete the reasoning above...

hope it makes sense

Not CotW's mathenoobics of poker. A series on the math of poker diamond dog wrote. Use the search function. If you've read that and still dont understand, come back.

link to first article in series: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...poker-1164777/

HAHAHA

Ok! That I can imagine more.
I pay 1 apple to have the chance to win 3 apples. I get always at least one apple into my bag!
1 win 1 apple every 3rd time I play that game. So every 3rd time I win another apple!

But when I only win every 4th time an extra apple Im loosing in the long run cause Im always having one apple less in my bag!

If villain bets 1/2 pot, I'm getting 3:1 pot odds. If I'm getting 3:1 pot odds I can't really go wrong because I have 3 buttons that I can click so 3:1 odds with 1/3 chance of clicking the right button. Poker is easier than you think.

Ok thanks! I will concentrate on this article and try to master it. Before that I wont play a card of poker anymore as I feel Im loosing money to recreational players haha.

He writes:
I guess I will start there . I dont understand the stuff probably cause I dont understand simple mathematics(besides +,- and * ..of course lol).
I think after 4th grade I stopped caring about mathematics.

thats very cynical but funny

Thing is, Maths (as I'm sure you've realised) is very incremental - everything builds on what's gone before. So if there's something you didn't really get in Year 7, it's not going to go away in Year 8. It'll just stop you making progress.

(Very different from, say, History, where if you didn't really get off on the Reformation and what that was all about, you can still sit down and have a pretty good go at working out the causes of the First World War.)

As a Maths teacher/tutor, I've always found the vast majority of people who say they can't do Maths have just got lost at an early stage, and then without ever really sorting out those early confusions have been asked to spend several years just piling more and more confusion on top of their shaky foundations. Not surprisingly the things most of these people learn are that (a) they can't do Maths and (b) they hate the freaking subject with a vengeance.

If you need help sorting out any of those basics (if, for example, switching between fractions, %, and decimals gets you confuzzled) ask, and there are guys round here who will help. Tons of websites out there, too, that will give you practice/explanations.

Good Luck.

math is idiotic

^^^
Couldn't agree more, tilt'.

I only got into it 'cos it seemed fun and my teacher was hot (she wore the most amazing perfume.)

But yeah, it's idiotic. I've never once come across a situation where a knowledge of basic Maths could be useful.

Exactly what happened! I lack the foundation and that makes me feel like a simple equation is the world formula.
Thanks!

Man, was it the same woman? Long black hair opened every once a while, short skirt, long legs, pumps,.
So hot in 6th grade I always asked for help just that she leans all over me lol. Tough never used my brains haha.

And all that after I was the best in 4th grade in a game where you have to move from one corner of the room to the next or back after right or wrong math questions..that was fun lol..gives me hope for poker math ^^

haha, nice reference, Barry Greenstein when he sucked out with a 9 when Tom Dwan had aces.

Anyway OP, pot odds are calculated as (current pot + bet you need to call)/bet you need to call. So if there's $25 in the pot, you need to call $5, pot odds are ($25 + $5)/$5 = 6:1.

If the problem is that you are just not very good at maths then I would like to recommend a site called KhanAcademy, you can learn anything from very simple maths such as Addition and probability to more advanced stuff. It certainly helps me when I need to brush up on stuff.

If you can't understand it at least intuitively, then no, you can never be real good.

If we flipped coins all day, and I gave you $9 when you called it right, and you gave me $10 when you missed, would you play?

If you understand that, it's a start and you can build from there.

If you can't understand that, don't bother trying to gamble for profit.

LOL
Yeah, tiltninja owned me pretty hard there.
I completely missed the Barry Greenstein reference.

I thought he was serious.
I was thinking wow, since when was tiltninja such a feel player?

Now you just sound ridiculous. It's funny how the smartest people get in their own way sometimes, when their emotions get involved.

He obviously meant he doesn't know if we're actually geniuses, but most of us have more math knowledge than he does.

Im glad I sounded ridiculous, it was deliberate. Pet hate in 2+2 when new (ish) posters put things like "Im rubbish at poker and Im hoping all you "pro players" (lol) might bee able to help me LOL." or "I cant do math, maybe you "math geniuses" can help" ?

As I said in my post, to me " means *so called* I might be misunderstanding what people mean by it, hence, I asked.

ive gone from 2nl to 200nl without ever doing maths and i dont know how to work out pot odds. soo...


def a possibility

^^^

How do you know when to fold a draw?

Just curious.

Come in and nicely ask for help, and you shall receive it.

You could most likely play a very good exploitable style and win, it's far from GTO, and would lose or at best breakeven against excellent GTO players, but can win for sure.