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01-11-2009 , 06:35 AM
Just started playing on PS.

Mico-limit.

I'm getting killed. I'm a total n00b.

I've been reading the forum... but I need some good links to read and advice on how to start getting good?

Most of the stuff I see here is still a bit over my head.
Can you please give an idiot n00b some advice on how to start improving my game?

Thanks.
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01-11-2009 , 06:42 AM
Most new players play way too many hands. I suggest searching for a starting hand guide.

Also, I would have been much better off if I had learned why position is so important from the beginning...

So here are some things you can google to get started:

- Starting hands
- Importance of position
- Pot odds

Good luck
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01-11-2009 , 06:53 AM
Flatwing, welcome to 2+2. finding this place is a good start. have you read any books? if so, which ones? (the right) books give a solid foundation and are a good starting point. without them you are trying to build a house without a solid foundation. basically what im getting at is that it is easier to misapply stuff if you dont have the basics worked out.
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01-11-2009 , 07:50 AM
Poker is not the sort of game you can learn all at once.
If anything in Beginners is 'a little over your head' then post a question in the thread. I'm sure there will be several lurkers breathing a sigh of relief when you do.
A lot of the responses posted are overly-brief and could do with some supporting evidence anyway. Asking for it may also help you decide which posters to take most notice of. It's also good for working out what you don't know yet or need to improve on.

If you decide to post a hand it is best to
Describe your thought processes through the hand
Not include results (the actual result of a poker hand can cloud judgement as to the correct play - you didn't know exactly what he had when you were playing)

I found 'Theory of Poker' a massive help, it describes the various relevant factors in a poker hand very well (but I learn well from books anyway) but it took a long time for much of it to sink in and I also misapplied parts of it on a regular basis. Probably still do. So examine what you learn critically, be prepared for some of what you learn to be wrong or inapplicable or capable of improvement and enjoy the learning process.

Simply admitting you suck puts you ahead of a LOT of beginners. Most of the people you will win money from as you improve will think they play well because of some heuristics they picked up and misapplied or simply because they are 'intelligent' or 'instinctive' and personal qualities like this MUST transfer seamlessly to poker, right? No need to put any work in if you're 180IQ or believe you have telepathic abilities, just play and win!
Poker presents you with a lot of decisions to make. A lot of the decisions that seem 'obvious' to an intelligent non-player end up being incorrect. Basically you look to develop ways of evaluating decisions that uncover the correct choice to make, using all the information available. This is a lot easier to improve with input from others.
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01-11-2009 , 07:57 AM
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A lot of the responses posted are overly-brief and could do with some supporting evidence anyway.
i just have a quick comment about this for OP. alot of vets have seen the same question over and over and the answer to the same question (or same sort of question) will tend to get shorter and shorter each time they answer it. Im sure most people will be happy to expand on a short answer if asked so if you arent sure just ask and someone can follow up. I know that if a poster takes the time to contribute and followup when they ask a question - even that is to say 'thanks' - then it makes me more willing to help them out next time..... we get so many peopel come on here, post a bit and just leave or never even reply to their own threads so to be asked WHY can be refreshing.

anyway, yeah...ill probably answer this shorter next time.
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01-11-2009 , 09:41 AM
Hey this is a link I came across when I first started reading this forum. Good fundamentals here...give it a look!

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...d-reading-631/
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01-11-2009 , 09:45 AM
If you watch your starting hands and possition you should be fine. What level are you 'micro-ing" at. $ wise. The lowest of micros is so bad. Once you read some more you will feel better and play better. If you just want to see hand and get a feel for the game stay in the super micros or just keep reading and watch some hight level stakes games, also NL or L.
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01-11-2009 , 10:05 AM
What are you playing? You said micros, but ring games or tournaments? They require different sets of skills.

The best place to start out is playing full ring games. They allow you to be patient and wait for good starting hands. You also might want to consider sticking with limit until you feel comfortable with the game.

There are books out there for whatever you want to learn, so just post here about what kind of game you want to play and someone will direct you to a good resource.
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01-11-2009 , 10:45 AM
i suggest that u

-dl trial of pokertracker or holdem manager. have that monitor you for about a thousand hands and post your stats over in the microstakes forum. the pokertracker forum will help u with the software. having good solid stats is not the key to winning but it's a start.

-read a book. there are several beginner guides that teach u how to play the top 10 hands, and for now, they are all ull play.

-keep hand histories of big hands. the microstakes forum can help u decide if u could've played them better
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01-11-2009 , 02:45 PM
Thanks for all the responses, folks!

I'm playing the 5-10 cent micros right now.

When you say "ring" games. Do you mean a table full of players?
Non tournament type setup?
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01-11-2009 , 02:48 PM
A ring game is a cash game, as opposed to a tournament.
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01-11-2009 , 03:00 PM
Id say try to beat 2NL or 5NL before jumping to 10NL but who am I.

On a side note. I FINALLY JUMPED TO 10NL AND AM BEATING IT!!! YAY!
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01-13-2009 , 11:42 PM
The best thing you can do is pick up a beginner level poker book. Then, play a few thousand hands and then pick up Small Stakes Hold'em. It is the bible for low stakes hold em if you seriously want to play to win money in cash games. It is not an easy read though. You have to digest the material piece by piece and re-read it several times before you really understand how to put all the concepts into practice. It doesn't make sense to try and teach yourself how to play poker without study or guidance. It's like trying to reinvent the wheel. why do it, when it's already been done and you can pick it up at your local library?
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01-14-2009 , 01:22 AM
Good beginner book is "Getting Started in Hold 'em". I used it when I first started playing a few years back and it worked well playing short stack strategy in live games. I honestly have never tried it online but it's probably a good start to give you an idea of hand selection, position, stack sizes, betting, and odds.

Plus another thing to remember is to never get discouraged. Everyone started somewhere. Don't move up too quickly once you see some success. Build a solid bankroll. I'm no expert but I think it's one of the best ways to start.
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01-14-2009 , 03:35 PM
As far as books go, I "No Limit Hold 'Em: Theory and Practice."

If you have specific questions, fire away.
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