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02-22-2013 , 04:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
He very occasionally has AKdd, maybe.

Board: Qd 8s 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 15.854% 11.52% 04.34% 1254 472.50 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 84.146% 79.81% 04.34% 8691 472.50 { QQ+, AdKd }
This range seems way too tight..If he can flat AK, he will easily AQ too

Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

22,770 games 0.041 secs 555,365 games/sec
No way I'm ever folding there.


Board: 3d Qd 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.557% 49.48% 02.08% 11267 472.50 { QQ+, AdKd, AQs, AQo }
Hand 1: 48.443% 46.37% 02.08% 10558 472.50 { KcKh }
Thats more like it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferno016
bankroll finally up for 10NL once again, and my first hand is this one :

feelsgoodman


    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16195141

    SB: $12.91 (129.1 bb)
    BB: $30.92 (309.2 bb)
    MP: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
    CO: $10.35 (103.5 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
    MP folds, CO raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.30, 2 folds, CO raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $10 and is all-in, CO calls $7.50

    Flop: ($20.15) 5 3 A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: ($20.15) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($20.15) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $20.15 pot ($0.91 rake)
    Final Board: 5 3 A 9 7
    CO showed Q Q and lost (-$10 net)
    Hero showed K K and won $19.24 ($9.24 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
    Nice gain dude but I wouldnt be happy about this win, its a cooler in a sense..

    I am generally never happy about cooler wins, they dont mean anything in the long run

    Just think of it like this:
    If any other player was in ur spot with ur hand, how much money would they have made vs that player w his hand?
    If your answer is the same amount because they also would stack off, then u have not really gained much in terms of true edge and long term gain cuz ur jus breakin even with everyone who does the same play, which is everyone cuz obv no1 folds kK pre 100bb
    02-22-2013 , 05:05 PM
    Thanks for the replies...home game donkey show tonight!! Can't wait
    02-22-2013 , 05:46 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by khangura175
    Nice gain dude but I wouldnt be happy about this win, its a cooler in a sense..

    I am generally never happy about cooler wins, they dont mean anything in the long run

    Just think of it like this:
    If any other player was in ur spot with ur hand, how much money would they have made vs that player w his hand?
    If your answer is the same amount because they also would stack off, then u have not really gained much in terms of true edge and long term gain cuz ur jus breakin even with everyone who does the same play, which is everyone cuz obv no1 folds kK pre 100bb
    I know, im just psyching myself out for stepping into 10NL land once again.
    02-22-2013 , 07:15 PM
    Ah the spaz overbet on the river. Blackrain book mentions it. Never thought it would actually work.

    Flop nuttiest nuts
    Play passive like I'm chasing a card
    Shove the river stupidly like a desperate bluff if shown any weakness
    Profit


      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16197511

      BTN: $7.71 (154.2 bb)
      SB: $2.76 (55.2 bb)
      BB: $6.61 (132.2 bb)
      UTG: $5.92 (118.4 bb)
      Hero (MP): $7.25 (145 bb)
      CO: $1.06 (21.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with Q Q
      UTG raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.40, CO folds, BTN calls $0.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.25

      Flop: ($1.27) Q Q 5 (3 players)
      UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.90, UTG folds, Hero calls $0.90

      Turn: ($3.07) K (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      River: ($3.07) 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets $5.95 and is all-in, BTN calls $5.95

      Spoiler:
      Results: $14.97 pot ($0.62 rake)
      Final Board: Q Q 5 K 2
      BTN mucked A K and lost (-$7.25 net)
      Hero showed Q Q and won $14.35 ($7.10 net)



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      02-22-2013 , 07:19 PM
      Regs aren't going to be flatting cold 4bets with AQ in general, and certainly not going to shove TPTK in a 4b pot. If you insist on including AQ in your range, I'd suggest removing around 80% of the combos.

      Just played a 715 hand session. +$9.4, which isn't bad, but EV was +$83. MEH.

      Some hands:

      1) Standard double barrel IMO:

      PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: $30.85
      SB: $19.26
      Hero (BB): $32.26
      UTG: $30.96
      MP: $35.32
      CO: $35.55

      SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has 9 8

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, BTN calls $1.75

      Flop: ($5.10, 2 players) 8 7 K
      Hero bets $2.67, BTN calls $2.67

      Turn: ($10.44, 2 players) Q
      Hero bets $5.48, fold

      Hero wins $9.97


      2) Bad double barrel, basically mandatory triple barrel:

      PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: $27.20
      Hero (SB): $27.20
      BB: $69.39
      UTG: $22.79
      MP: $14.41
      CO: $24.65

      Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has 8 8

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.40, fold

      Flop: ($1.25, 2 players) 5 4 4
      Hero checks, BTN bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

      Turn: ($2.75, 2 players) 5
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75

      River: ($6.25, 2 players) A
      Hero checks, BTN checks

      Hero shows 8 8 (Two Pair, Eights and Fives) (Pre 82%, Flop 84%, Turn 91%)
      BTN mucks 7 6 (Two Pair, Fives and Fours) (Pre 18%, Flop 16%, Turn 9%)
      Hero wins $5.97



      3) Love it when the draws miss and I have second pair:

      PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: $29.60
      Hero (SB): $34.85
      BB: $10.90
      UTG: $42.16
      MP: $25.65
      CO: $26.22

      Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has 9 Q

      fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

      Flop: ($1.50, 2 players) 3 9 T
      Hero bets $0.94, BB calls $0.94

      Turn: ($3.38, 2 players) 2
      Hero checks, BB checks

      River: ($3.38, 2 players) 4
      Hero bets $1.77, BB calls $1.77

      Hero shows 9 Q (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 40%, Flop 81%, Turn 89%)
      BB mucks 3 K (One Pair, Threes) (Pre 60%, Flop 19%, Turn 11%)
      Hero wins $6.61


      4) Villain is a tight reg. Plays draws aggressively. Think he has no combos of 3x here, and enough flush draws to balance out when he has 55:

      PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      Hero (BTN): $41.48
      SB: $24.94
      BB: $25.00
      UTG: $33.20
      MP: $12.15
      CO: $12.85

      SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has 6 3

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.62, SB calls $0.52, fold

      Flop: ($1.49, 2 players) 3 5 3
      SB bets $1.00, Hero raises to $2.88, SB raises to $9.30, Hero raises to $26.31, SB calls $15.02 and is all-in

      Turn: ($50.13, 2 players) 4

      River: ($50.13, 2 players) J

      SB shows A Q (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 63%, Flop 25%, Turn 77%)
      Hero mucks 6 3 (Three of a Kind, Threes) (Pre 37%, Flop 75%, Turn 23%)
      SB wins $48.13


      5) And finally, posting my biggest mistake of the day. Should never be double barrelling this spot, his flop flatting range is much too strong:

      PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: $25.79
      SB: $9.43
      BB: $23.97
      Hero (UTG): $37.86
      MP: $31.08
      CO: $129.70

      SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has 6 5

      Hero raises to $0.87, MP calls $0.87, CO calls $0.87, fold, SB calls $0.77, fold

      Flop: ($3.73, 4 players) 7 4 A
      SB checks, Hero bets $2.00, fold, CO calls $2.00, fold

      Turn: ($7.73, 2 players) 2
      Hero bets $4.05, CO calls $4.05

      River: ($15.83, 2 players) 7
      Hero checks, CO checks

      Hero shows 6 5 (One Pair, Sevens) (Pre 42%, Flop 37%, Turn 34%)
      CO shows A J (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens) (Pre 58%, Flop 63%, Turn 66%)
      CO wins $15.12
      02-22-2013 , 07:21 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by thetallpaul
      Ah the spaz overbet on the river. Blackrain book mentions it. Never thought it would actually work.

      Flop nuttiest nuts
      Play passive like I'm chasing a card
      Shove the river stupidly like a desperate bluff if shown any weakness
      Profit


        Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16197511

        BTN: $7.71 (154.2 bb)
        SB: $2.76 (55.2 bb)
        BB: $6.61 (132.2 bb)
        UTG: $5.92 (118.4 bb)
        Hero (MP): $7.25 (145 bb)
        CO: $1.06 (21.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP with Q Q
        UTG raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.40, CO folds, BTN calls $0.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.25

        Flop: ($1.27) Q Q 5 (3 players)
        UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.90, UTG folds, Hero calls $0.90

        Turn: ($3.07) K (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN checks

        River: ($3.07) 2 (2 players)
        Hero bets $5.95 and is all-in, BTN calls $5.95

        Spoiler:
        Results: $14.97 pot ($0.62 rake)
        Final Board: Q Q 5 K 2
        BTN mucked A K and lost (-$7.25 net)
        Hero showed Q Q and won $14.35 ($7.10 net)



        Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
        Not cbetting here is criminal. Loads of pairs in villain's range which won't fold to a single bet. River is only fine if you're playing against fish.
        02-22-2013 , 07:23 PM
        hand 1 with 98: might consider flatting or folding pre

        9Q hand: I think at this point we can vbet most of the times, even with 2nd pair. turn bet possible imo
        02-22-2013 , 07:29 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by dillchips
        hand 1 with 98: might consider flatting or folding pre

        9Q hand: I think at this point we can vbet most of the times, even with 2nd pair. turn bet possible imo
        H1: Obviously folding is an option (though flatting's pretty bad IMO), but 98s is a very decent hand to 3bet light with OOP.

        H2: Villain is too good for a river bet to work with the draws getting there.
        02-22-2013 , 07:37 PM
        Just a day of sickness
        JK < 57 just now JT5 flop brick turn 7 river
        Keeps happening today, fish calling with Q2 or something turd and catching a river.
        Faced a lot of maniacs today as well - AI on flop with K2, 2 on board that kind of thing. Also respond to isos or 3bets by raising
        Well, if it wasn't for the river there wouldn't be fish right?

        This guy was bleeding chips though - kept calling pre, folding cbet.

        Full Tilt - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        BB: $8.28
        UTG: $2.34
        Hero (MP): $2.07
        CO: $1.49
        BTN: $6.00
        SB: $2.00

        SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

        Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 9 9

        UTG calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, CO calls $0.08, fold, fold, fold, fold

        Flop: ($0.21, 2 players) 9 6 8
        Hero bets $0.14, CO calls $0.14

        Turn: ($0.49, 2 players) A
        Hero bets $0.26, CO calls $0.26

        River: ($1.01, 2 players) 6
        Hero bets $1.02, CO calls $1.01 and is all-in

        Spoiler:
        Hero shows 9 9 (Full House, Nines full of Sixes) (Pre 67%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
        CO mucks A 4 (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes) (Pre 33%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
        Hero wins $2.83
        02-22-2013 , 07:49 PM
        You reckon this guy got max value here?

        Full Tilt - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        UTG: $1.99
        CO: $2.11
        BTN: $1.94
        SB: $2.13
        Hero (BB): $2.19

        SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

        Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 3 2

        UTG calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, fold, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

        Flop: ($0.08, 4 players) 5 4 7
        SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

        Turn: ($0.08, 4 players) 3
        SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

        River: ($0.08, 4 players) 8
        SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

        Spoiler:
        SB shows T J (High Card, Jack) (Pre 19%, Flop 6%, Turn 0%)
        Hero shows 3 2 (One Pair, Threes) (Pre 12%, Flop 6%, Turn 10%)
        UTG shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 56%, Flop 68%, Turn 80%)
        CO mucks 8 9 (One Pair, Eights) (Pre 14%, Flop 20%, Turn 10%)
        UTG wins $0.08
        02-22-2013 , 08:09 PM
        @ tda, are you implying you should c/f 56s ott?
        02-22-2013 , 08:32 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by raikkonen3
        @ tda, are you implying you should c/f 56s ott?
        It's tricky. A barrel has next to no FE, but I probably have too much pot equity to c/f. C/r is an option I suppose.
        02-22-2013 , 08:37 PM
        Barrel is easily profitable due to how much equity you have.
        02-22-2013 , 08:41 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by raikkonen3
        Barrel is easily profitable due to how much equity you have.
        Why? I believe I have zero FE - I think villain's range here is AJ, 77, 44 (he's a good reg, and understands that I'm much stronger when I cbet here).
        02-22-2013 , 08:43 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by raikkonen3
        Barrel is easily profitable due to how much equity you have.
        Im betting turn a lot here, expect him to fold everything that is basically a pair less than Ax and even if he calls we can still bink river and get a massive value bet out of him as we know his range is super strong now.

        Edit: Yeah turn he can still have pocket pairs, he should 3bet AK and maybe some AQs a lot. He can have sets but probably Ax hands are more likely, infact I dont think firing all three streets is terrible here if hes capable of folding AQ or worse by river, which he should really given your line if you did that. Then again folding top pair and 25NL doesn't go together
        02-22-2013 , 09:06 PM
        I really don't think he 3bets AQ vs an UTG open and MP call. Like I said, he's good.

        Decided to play one more quick session, and this one went better. +$45.

        Anyone got any idea what kind of volume I'm going to have to put in at 25NL to get 900 VPPs during the rest of the month?
        02-22-2013 , 09:15 PM
        probably around 17k hands I think.
        02-23-2013 , 06:18 AM
        All in pre 4 hands in a row ; AKo got to be pretty good right?
        To the river it is yes, fml.

        Full Tilt - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        BTN: $1.39
        Hero (SB): $2.00
        BB: $2.68
        UTG: $1.27
        CO: $4.22

        Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

        Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has K A

        fold, CO raises to $4.22 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $1.99 and is all-in, fold

        Flop: ($6.24, 2 players) 3 J 8

        Turn: ($6.24, 2 players) 4

        River: ($6.24, 2 players) 9

        Spoiler:
        CO shows 7 9 (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 36%, Flop 36%, Turn 23%)
        Hero shows K A (High Card, Ace) (Pre 64%, Flop 64%, Turn 77%)
        CO wins $3.76
        02-23-2013 , 07:26 AM
        10NL people are sooooo aggressive with 3betting, regs with 15% 3bet all over the place.

        huge difference with 5nl
        02-23-2013 , 08:13 AM
        It's bad aggressive then
        02-23-2013 , 08:18 AM
        and wtf, mind blown at the rake you are paying at 10nl :O:O
        already 1 buy in down after playing break even with 2k hands.
        02-23-2013 , 12:42 PM
        @tda I imagine ~10k hands, no way will it take 17k hands unless you are a huge nit.

        i was making just over 100 per 1k playing 24/20
        02-23-2013 , 01:15 PM
        100 per 1k? I must have been working out my old rate at 10NL, which was just over 50. My bad.
        02-23-2013 , 02:24 PM
        Hi guys! What's up?

        I played those hands earlier today and I really can't say if I played them correctly. I would love your opinions on them.

        Hand 1 villain is 15/7 over 150 hands.

        I called PF because the original raiser is a fish and I can get a lot of value against him if I hit. OTT the only player left is a tight guy. I bet to charge his draws and get raised. The thing is that he is raising really small and even if I think that I'm behind, I'm getting pretty good odds to chase a K or a Q. On the other hand, I'm pretty much drawing dead against a made set so the call would be pretty bad.

          Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16203281

          MP1: $2.13 (106.5 bb)
          BB: $1.96 (98 bb)
          Hero (MP3): $2 (100 bb)
          MP2: $1.84 (92 bb)
          SB: $2.02 (101 bb)
          CO: $2.12 (106 bb)
          BTN: $2 (100 bb)
          UTG+1: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
          UTG+2: $2.28 (114 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q K
          UTG+1 raises to $0.04, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.04, CO calls $0.04, 2 folds, BB calls $0.02

          Flop: ($0.17) 7 Q T (4 players)
          BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.12, CO calls $0.12, 2 folds

          Turn: ($0.41) 6 (2 players)
          Hero bets $0.29, CO raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.31

          River: ($1.61) 2 (2 players)
          Hero checks, CO bets $1.02, Hero folds




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          Hand 2, villain is 27/19 over 200 hands

          Given the fact that villain is pretty aggro I 3 bet QQ for value. But when I saw the A OTF my brain stopped working and I played the hand really bad imo. How would you guys play it? Call 3 streets? Raise the flop? I think that given villain stats the turn isn't a fold but I could be mistaken.

            Pacific, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16203291

            BB: $1.63 (81.5 bb)
            Hero (UTG+2): $2 (100 bb)
            MP1: $2.79 (139.5 bb)
            MP2: $2.61 (130.5 bb)
            MP3: $0.78 (39 bb)
            CO: $2 (100 bb)
            BTN: $2.06 (103 bb)
            SB: $1.92 (96 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q Q
            Hero raises to $0.08, 5 folds, SB raises to $0.14, BB folds, Hero raises to $0.44, SB calls $0.30

            Flop: ($0.90) A 6 4 (2 players)
            SB bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

            Turn: ($1.14) 4 (2 players)
            SB bets $0.38, Hero folds




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            If you can help me with those hands that would really be great.

            Thanks in advance!
            02-23-2013 , 03:31 PM
            H1: Fold the turn probably. He's weaktight, he has a set.
            H2: Eh, it's tricky. I think with his bet sizing there's little EV difference between any of the three options. I think I probably call down.

                  
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