Originally Posted by FloobyBadoop
I’m a little confused about the math side of things. I understand that you need to account for your equity versus the pot size so you can make +ev plays, but this logic tends to fall apart at a live cash game of 1/3 nl. No. equity v pot size is still a viable tool. Your equity goes down with more players in the hand...but you still have more than your opponents. Heads up you may have a huge equity advantage, maybe 60% (as an example) . With 4 players in the hand, your equity drops to (example) 33%....but if everyone else drops to 22%, you hand still has an equity edge. Factor in that if the hand plays out to actual equity, you will lose 67% of the time. There are no "sure things" with a premium hand. Life sucks and then you die.
Since everyone uses denoms of 5, people will bet 10 as a small bet, 20 or 25 as a large, 50 for a very confident bet, etc. The exact bet size seems to have no bearing on math, just what feels right to whoever is betting based on what’s been consistent at the table thus far. So here's kinda the fun thing about poker. The better players tend to keep track of all the little things. Some of your opponents will be betting the "proper" amount for the right reasons, Some will be betting the "proper" amount on a whim. Some good players will bet mostly one way but will throw in a few amounts that make you go "hmmmmm". Other players will bet varying amounts because... well, because. You job is to keep track of all this so you can make better decisions moving forward.
As well, equity seems to fall completely apart too. When people’s range is “almost anything”, your Ace King suddenly doesn’t look too good, because any one of the four people who are in the potty in the flop could have made a pair, two pair, straight or flush draw, etc. So yes, I get that theoretically only playing the best hands should lead to long term success (basically true...but probably near to false as well),
but what happens is that you will wait for hours to get a premium hand, bet 20 preflop, and c-bet to score a small pot, if everyone didn’t already fold preflop. Bet more than 20? Bet $20 with more hands than just the premiums when on the button? ...some of your opponents ONLY see that you bet $20 with KTo, not that you only play garbage like that only on the button (Yes, KTo is mostly a garbage hand...especially with weak post-flop skills)
Basically, it feels like everyone at the table just wants to play flop lottery, making it very difficult to win with just luck skill, as it almost always seems like at least one person has made the nuts every flop. While the game you describe is a challenge and each hand involves dodging landmines...that type of game is usually a long-term gold mine. It may simply be that you need more time to develop the vision; vision to "see" the opponents hands BUT maybe more important for you, the ability to look one more step and "see" what the villains think you have. They "know" you have a premium but which one? Play AK like AA on a dry low board against a lot of players (weak-tight) is akin to printing money. Against others (call stations), you are throwing money down the drain. Learn to read who-is-who is still a viable way to get ahead in this game.