Thanks Am just not sure whether it's not a bad beat - I know the folks in the micro area don't like bad beats posted there, which is fair enough! Maybe I'll just post it with an apology for if it *is* a bad beat. I guess learning the confidence to know when it's a bad beat or when you've done something wrong is another hidden skill newbies learn over time

if you don't know, then post in the limit forum. at least they will tell you that you were a moron for not raising the turn. If you just post in BBV, they will just tell you that you are a moron.

If it's just a bad beat you'll hear about it in the first few replies

As the King said, avoid the BBV type areas of 2+2. And especially don't expect any useful advice from such places.

Righteo, heading to post in the micros then armed with a preemptive apology and a thick skin. Thanks guys

I have heard a few people say that they "floated" a card or a street? I am not sure what they are talking about? Help please!!

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Thanks

where can i play online poker? i mean the best online poker?

Thank you.

what does BBV means?

Thanks.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...rags-variance/

Brags, beats and variance.

Depends what country you are in?

Pokerstars is the biggest online room.

New question:

Is it considered bad bad form to use slow play a lot or is it part of effective strategy?

Generally it's best to actively get money into the middle with a strong hand but there is a place for slowplaying e.g. against a spewy opponent who will bluff 3 streets with air but fold if raised. If someone is slowplaying a lot, they are probably missing value.

Along with missing value, the other common slowplay error at nanostakes is slowplaying a strong but vulnerable hand such as TPTK thus giving the villain a free draw to a monster.

So a good beginner strategy with slowplaying is don't.

Just wondering if there is a way to "subscribe" or follow a thread and be able to access it easily again? Or if there is a list of threads you have posted in recently?

Thanks a lot.

Shifty

Re: slowplaying, think about it like this.

There are three possible outcomes.
a) Your opponent has a poor hand and is not willing to bet it.
b) Your opponent has a good hand (not as good ldo) and is willing to bet it
c) Your opponent has a draw/middling hand and is willing to bet, but not as much.

When you slowplay, you are gaining a slight bit of value from A (he might catch his pair and fire a bet, he might sense weakness and throw in a bluff, but I don't think you will win more than one bet here). You are missing a lot of value from B, and you are missing a lot of value from C, from not charging him to draw or getting "sucked out" on when he hits his draw/his middling hand improves.

You might only stack someone with your set one in ten times, but winning his stack starts with a flop bet. Remember that the pot grows geometrically, missing an opportunity to bet can be the difference between taking 60% of a stack to all of it -- 40bbs! That's a lot!

The only time I would slowplay at the micros* is when you have the stone cold nuts and it's unlikely anyone has anything at all. Example, you hold KK, villain calls your 3bet pre, flop is KK4. He's not calling your 3bet with 44, he can't hold AK, a cbet probably scares off any pocket pair. You have to slowplay here and expect to win a small pot.


*At upper levels it's alright to slowplay your monsters for balance -- so that a check doesn't always represent a weak hand. But few people are paying attention to that at micro stakes, and the ones who do are moving up anyway.

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Thanks a ton! Now I can see what people reply to all my hilarious comments

Shifty

Based on the wording of your question, it's not clear to me whether you mean:

A) Slowplaying
B) Slowrolling
C) Playing slow (taking a long time to play every hand)

If you actually are asking about A) then yes, slowplaying is a legit strategy. However, it is also a very specific that should only be used in appropriate situations. Since you're asking this question you're probably better of never slowplaying until you gain significantly more experience. Here's a recent thread on this subject:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...value-1097899/

If you're actually asking about B) the no, slowrolling is always a huge douche move. Don't do it.

If you're actually asking about C) this is also generally a douche move. There are specific times where stalling may be appropriate (where you're trying to hang on with a short stack at or near the bubble) however, unless you know what you're doing (nothing stupider than people stalling during hand for hand play) making everyone wait for you is just being a dick.

1. I thought that I knew what 'set mining' was (i.e. if you have a small pair and choose to see the flop despite having to call a large raise, if you get good implied odds, you do it in order to try to hit your set and stack an opponent), but I'm not sure after reading some threads: is my understanding correct?

2. Why are ppl so sensitive about "slowrolling"? I put it in quotes because there was a hand where I just took exactly 2 seconds to turn over my hand because I called the Villain and he flipped his cards: I couldn't read the board fast enough (obviously didn't want to show my hand if it was a loser) and probably could have been 0.5 seconds faster in flipping my cards. What's the deal? Are ppl that hyper-sensitive? Obviously I didn't intend to slowroll but I'm not a robot that can flip my hand instantaneously after everyone's AI and the river comes.

Your use of "small" and "large" should be omitted but otherwise your description is correct.

Because it's a dick move.

If your description is true, just apologize and say, "I'm sorry, I'm new, I'm still slow at reading the board and wasn't sure if I had the winning hand."

However, generally speaking this likely points to a serious weakness in your game. You should always know your hands, what hands beat it, and what cards to come help/hinder you. It should never take you any kind of time to know exactly where you are in a hand like that.

^Thx.

I guess that I could be a bit quicker but obviously wasn't slowrolling the opponent.

Two seconds is not a slowroll IMO and someone getting upset about it is someone who is upset at losing the hand.