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01-22-2010 , 12:18 PM
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Sounds like you're using the "remember table positioning" option on the view menu.
No i'm not

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If you want to return to a prearranged layout, set the tables you want as you usually play them, then "save custom layout," give it a name, and then you can access that layout from the dropdown menu on any table, to the right of the dealer's box.

Unfortunately, I've found that if I select a saved layout, then move a table, then the check box remains next to the name of the saved layout. To restore it, I have to uncheck it, then check it again.
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Save the same layout twice, under slightly different names and then alternate between the two.

I use StarsHotkeys so that's not a problem, but I don't want to use the hotkey to re-stack them b/c some of the other tables are dragged to the side like FTs/late-game etc...

I just want my new tables to start at the stack not where the last table busted

I wouldnt mind dragging it back to the stack if I wasn't 20 tabling
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01-22-2010 , 02:27 PM
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I just want my new tables to start at the stack not where the last table busted
Are you using something to auto-close tables when tournaments end? Tables open wherever they were closed, so I modified Debustifier to move any table it's going to close back to the "home" position before closing it. If you're closing tables by hand, then move the table back before closing it...
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01-22-2010 , 04:19 PM
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Are you using something to auto-close tables when tournaments end? Tables open wherever they were closed, so I modified Debustifier to move any table it's going to close back to the "home" position before closing it. If you're closing tables by hand, then move the table back before closing it...
Table Ninja

Wats Debustifier?
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01-22-2010 , 05:09 PM
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Table Ninja

Wats Debustifier?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45...onware-446876/
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01-22-2010 , 05:21 PM
I just started playing online and I see all these posts with graphs. How can i get my graph of winnings and ev.
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01-22-2010 , 05:23 PM
Pokertracker or Hold'Em Manager.

Both available on free trial, so try both, see which you prefer.

(BTW, they do a whole lot more than just draw graphs of your results.)

Good Luck.
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01-22-2010 , 05:59 PM
I guess I should TN guys if they can do wat u did if thats even possible
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01-22-2010 , 08:01 PM
Hey guys, I'm making my first casino trip tomorrow. It's only a day-trip so I won't have a room(or even a car since I'm bussing it) for my stuff, so I was going to take a backpack along with me. It won't have a ton of stuff or anything, but still. Is it common to bring like a backpack to the table and just stick it by my feet? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be a problem or anything, just want to know if it's sort of a common thing to do.
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01-24-2010 , 05:18 PM
What does CCPF mean in poker tracker? I know it stands for Cold Call Preflop but what exactly is a cold call?

thanks
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01-24-2010 , 07:11 PM
A cold call is calling a raise when you didn't already have any money in the pot.
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01-24-2010 , 08:38 PM
I have never played on stars and only understand that you get certain VPP per hand and once you get enough VPP you get certain levels etc etc.. but my question is about SN or SNE, I've heard people say SNE is worth 100K alone how do you get that 100k, I read the site but I'm an idiot.
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01-24-2010 , 10:51 PM
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Hey guys, I'm making my first casino trip tomorrow. It's only a day-trip so I won't have a room(or even a car since I'm bussing it) for my stuff, so I was going to take a backpack along with me. It won't have a ton of stuff or anything, but still. Is it common to bring like a backpack to the table and just stick it by my feet? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be a problem or anything, just want to know if it's sort of a common thing to do.
If you're a guy, why do you need what basically amounts to a purse?
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01-25-2010 , 12:13 AM
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If you're a guy, why do you need what basically amounts to a purse?
Nice first post. I'm assuming he needs it to hold clothes or something. And yeah it's fine, people won't even mention it.
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01-25-2010 , 02:24 AM
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I have never played on stars and only understand that you get certain VPP per hand and once you get enough VPP you get certain levels etc etc.. but my question is about SN or SNE, I've heard people say SNE is worth 100K alone how do you get that 100k, I read the site but I'm an idiot.
I don't know a whole lot about the subject, but my basic understanding is that player's points, and other promotions such as free tourney entries, etcetera, would be "worth" over 100K to elite players. Any player who accumulates enough players points to reach supernova elite status (I think it takes about a million points to get there), is earning massive player's points (more FPPs than VPPs because there's a multiplier). Though it's not quite right, I estimate the value of a players point at something over a penny. Maybe a FPP's worth a penny and a half. You can't cash them directly, but you get your money's worth by using them for tourney entries, or otherwise accumulating tourney dollars that can be then "cashed" through your play at STT and MTT tables.

Maybe there's more... some cars tossed in there once in a while, whacky stuff to buy in the online stores... but don't forget, whatever you're getting you're essentially paying for. A guy who gets over $100,000 in bonus value out of a site like Stars is ALSO almost certainly paying more than $100,000 a year in rake at the tables. He may not see that as an expense. After all, if you're profitable at the games, and you would be happy to play in them even without a bonus, then the bonus is essentially free money to you. But don't get fooled into believing the dream that an average or below average player can get rich by grinding for points in games they can't beat for significant money. You've got to be a great player, and play in huge volume at significant stakes, if you want to make it without going bust before seeing any bonus value.
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01-25-2010 , 08:58 AM
Hi guys, I've just recently picked up the Theory of Poker by David Sklansky, which, it turns out, is a product of this fine forum.

Its actually great. Tbh, it's fantastic for making concrete the reasonining behind all the moves I've been making. It's just improving my all-round grasp of poker.

So, I was just wondering if you could go over my reasoning here, as based on teh book, and tell me if I'm on the right lines.

There was one hand in a full-ring cash game and I get AKs on the button. It's a fairly weak game, so there were a lot of preflop limpers, even UTG. In fact, there were six. So I was bound to raise with my AKs. With so many limpers, I want to take away the odds from the others to force a mistake, and take away a bunch of weaker hands which can outdraw me (as I've grasped it). So I pop it bigger then usual to compensate for the limpers already in the pot, and I make it 32c (8BB) to go in a pot of 42c (Six limpers at 2/4c with the Blinds).

Everyone folds but one, who calls.

(Now, the rest of the hand was a shame, as I hit my K, but he'd called wtih 67 and hit a 6 on the flop, then a 7 on the river. I'm not focusing on that yet, I'm just checkign that I'm on the right lines with my analysis pre flop.)

Now he had 67. With two undercards to my AKs, he was a roughly 3:2 dog. He had to put 32c in to win a a pot of 74c - the combination of the limpers and my raise - so he was gettting odds of about 2.3:1, as a 3:2 dog. So if we simplyfy the numbers and say that he was simply betting a dollar with 2.3:1 odds as a 3:2 dog, if we did that 5 times, he would lose his dollar 3 time, for a loss of $3, but won $2.3 twice, for a total win of $4.60. So for each decision, he had a +EV of 32c per bet.

Ignoring all post-flop action and that, purely focusing on this decision (as I say, I'm just focused on the maths here), if he made this call 5 times, he would 'win' three times and 'lose' twice. So he'd lose his 32c 3 times (for a total of 96c) and would win the 74c twice, right?

Now, really, he was probably an idiot and didn't think like this, but am I right here? From this logic, for this one specific isolated decision, I should have raised more then I did to take away more value then I did, or I should have been making the raise with a stronger hand like a higher pair where he will be a bigger dog. He really made a decent decision, as by these numbers he'd be a winner in the long run.

Right, so I may be wrong here. I may be miles of the mark, but I'd love for you guys to rip this situation apart and criticize my logic - I'm all ears.

Hey, I'm just trying to improve.
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01-25-2010 , 10:53 AM
The fact that you have made your opponent make a mistake combined with your position and how easy AK is to play, makes your big just right. Sure you can jack it up to 10BB or whatever to make him make an even bigger mistake but once you move up you tend to be very exploitable by raising your good hands so large.
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01-25-2010 , 11:54 AM
Your raise was too small considering the number of limpers. Standard raise is either 4bb+1bb per limper while open raises are usually 3bb or 4bb depending on the situation. So you should have been raising to 10bb at least. More than that even in a loose/passive game where you're likely to get multiple callers.

When calling with a hand like suited connectors direct odds are basically irrelevant. The call is all about implied odds - taking your stack when he flops a monster. Set mining OOP and HU against a button raiser is pretty marginal unless button is nitty because button's raise should be very wide and he's often not going to flop a hand he's willing to play a big pot with.

As far as being 3:2 that's very misleading. It's only 3:2 if he sees both the turn and river. Most of the time he's not going to and the hand will end on the flop. So 3:2 is irrelevant. ie; Flop is A23 turn is 6 river is 7. 67 has the best hand but only if he sees the river. But he's going to fold the flop when you bet virtually always.
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01-25-2010 , 12:13 PM
Ah cheers, guys. This had me scratching my head. THis is probably pretty simple to you guys, but I really wanna understand everything about this game on its basic nuts and bolts whilst I'm beating the microstakes, so when (if, probably) I move up I'll be in a good spot.

So what you're saying is, Cry Me a River, is that 3:2 is well off the realistic odds of him winning this hand? That's probably it. He has to really hit two pair at least to continue with the hand, which I think I recall has about a 2% chance of happening, so I'm actually a big favourite to take down the hand I have particularly considering the C-bet with the big hand I'm representing.

The 10BB raise you suggest would have made the pot 82c, offering him roughly 2:1 on his money to call - these odds are poor enough (for him) to make me a winner in the long run him calling this bet? That's cool.

I'm going to scan around for more info on pre-flop bet sizes in cash games. Anything else you fine gentlemen would like to throw at me regarding this situation to help me with it?

Oh, and they weren't even suited connectors. I think he was just a rubbish player. I suppose part of the trouble is that at these stakes they are really not thinking about what I've got, they're just thinking about the fact that they've hit a pair of sixes on the flop.
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01-25-2010 , 01:23 PM
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So what you're saying is, Cry Me a River, is that 3:2 is well off the realistic odds of him winning this hand?
Yes.

3:2 is his odds of winning if he sees all five cards on the boards. ie; if you push all in preflop and he calls, he's 3:2 to win.


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The 10BB raise you suggest would have made the pot 82c, offering him roughly 2:1 on his money to call - these odds are poor enough (for him) to make me a winner in the long run him calling this bet? That's cool.
Well, depending on particulars (stack sizes, reads on you) he may still have implied odds to call (not with 67o, I'm talking about hands like 66 or 67s) but given position it's going to be a really marginal situation for him.

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I suppose part of the trouble is that at these stakes they are really not thinking about what I've got, they're just thinking about the fact that they've hit a pair of sixes on the flop.
Yes. But it's not "trouble", it's a really, really good thing - most of the time he's not hitting that 7 on the river...
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01-25-2010 , 01:30 PM
Cheers mate, you've been a great help there. I'll take that on board.

And also thanks to HighSociety for your insight too.
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01-25-2010 , 01:59 PM
Does anyone have any particular tips for keeping discipline?

I have trouble throwing away my good hands. When Mr. A. Fish slowplays his flopped full house and I river a lower full house I find myself shoving over the top of his check-minraise, all the while thinking "he has the ****ing tens full here". How can I stop myself from thinking "**** it" and unnecessarily throwing money in the pot? It's not quite the same as tilt, because it's not as a result of frustration or losing badly, it's something that's a part of my game I just can't get rid of. Help me out here.
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01-25-2010 , 02:04 PM
Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: $124.70
Hero (CO): $53.50
BTN: $113.00
SB: $41.75
BB: $18.30
UTG: $56.65
UTG+1: $42.90
UTG+2: $65.40
MP1: $37.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with Q Q
5 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, 1 fold, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.75) K 5 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $2.50, BB folds, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.75) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero folds

Without any read, is this the right way to play it please ?
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01-25-2010 , 02:46 PM
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Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: $124.70
Hero (CO): $53.50
BTN: $113.00
SB: $41.75
BB: $18.30
UTG: $56.65
UTG+1: $42.90
UTG+2: $65.40
MP1: $37.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with Q Q
5 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, 1 fold, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.75) K 5 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $2.50, BB folds, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.75) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero folds

Without any read, is this the right way to play it please ?
It's a strange way of playing it. If your queens were good on the flop, why aren't they good on the turn?

Without reads I'd probably bet/fold the flop. Listen to someone else though, because my advice is crap.
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01-25-2010 , 04:19 PM
what does GTO means??
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01-26-2010 , 01:51 AM
Game theory optimal, iirc.
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