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09-10-2009 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fadedriver
When I am close to the button I make the typical 3x BB raise with AK-KQ-AQ,ect. The BB calls and then leads the flop for around 2/3 the Pot. Is this a typical strategy from the BB? Should I re-raise here even when i miss? Or dump it? Am I reading to much into this?
This is situational and villian dependant, you can't really make a set strategy for this every time a villian donks into you.

Here are a few questions I'd ask myself before making a decision, not in any particular order, just thinking off the top of my head. The stakes will be a clue as to the skill level you're dealing with, as well as stack sizes, blind level, and payout structure.

Is villian passive or aggressive?

What is villians read on me? Have I shown weakness in similar situations, for him to profitably steal with air?

What has villian shown down when he donks? What is the board texture and will he lead with draws or made hands only?

Does his bet sizing give you any indication as to his holdings?

What has been villian's reaction when his donk bets are re-raised?

These are just a few things to consider, and like I said, poker is a very situational game.
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09-10-2009 , 04:33 PM
i got banned from the FT forum n i hav no idea y. when i try to log in it says that i hav to contact the webmaster or board administrator for more info but i hav no clue to who that is and how i get in touch with them. does any1 kno who to contact n how to contact them? or do i just sent an email to FT support n let them work it out for me?
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09-10-2009 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bumblebee99
that would be a much better idea imo. make a spreadsheet based on the poker stove starting hand screen, and then colour code the hands you want to play in a position. it's very important though that you don;t stick to a hand chart rigidly but use it predominantly as a template, and then adjust according to how the table is playing. that said, sticking to a hand chart should stop you playing marginal hands at the wrong times.

you should be raising more often than not when entering a pot, either opening or 3betting.

generally, it would be ok to call a pf bet with hands that can hit disguised monsters on the flop and much more preferably when the hand is mulitway. like mid sc's. this is obviously a very general statement, but until you get better at your post flop try raising the majority of your hands. try and picture how your action looks to a villain/s

as a side note, i'm working on that myself at the moment as one of my september goals. i must have a very very good reason to use the call button pf (including when some has 3bet me).

i also find it helps when you have a range template that you are using to then start to put others on a range during a hand. particularly when you have something open on the screen to quickly glance at.

bit of waffle in my post but it's late
Awesome, thanks for the advice.

I'm going to make a hand chart, because I think it will stop me from doing stuff like opening middle position with K4s or A3o. Once I get that down, I'll allow myself to deviate a little more from my positional ranges, based on the situation
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09-10-2009 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fadedriver
question about position and an open bet I have seen a lot lately in MTT

I have run into this many times and am unsure how to defend it. When I am close to the button I make the typical 3x BB raise with AK-KQ-AQ,ect. The BB calls and then leads the flop for around 2/3 the Pot. Is this a typical strategy from the BB? Should I re-raise here even when i miss? Or dump it? Am I reading to much into this?

Thanks for your help.
yes, if the it checks to the button on the flop, its very standard to open with 2/3 of the pot, if you think everyone will fold.

If its just you and the button left, try betting 2/3 of the pot yourself, even if you've missed your hand. Take a look at his fold to cbet %. If it's high, cbet a lot. (a cbet is a bet into the flop with air, with the intent of stealing the pot)


/edit: realized you said BB not BTN. Like Terremoto said, its situation dependant

Last edited by Panik; 09-10-2009 at 06:59 PM.
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09-10-2009 , 06:56 PM
is there a link that I can read too sharpen up my hand reading skillz ??
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09-10-2009 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Kerr0r
Question about a hand here:

Villain is 9/8/2.9 over 134 hands

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.20 Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is MP2 with 9 8
4 folds, Hero calls, 3 folds, BB checks

Flop: (2.5 SB) 7 2 T (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls
Bit of a free card play here.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (3.25 BB) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ???

Should I bet for value here? How often will this guy have top pair?
On the flop, I hope you made a pot-sized bet.

On the turn, you have a very strong drawing hand. There's 8 cards that will complete your straight (4 6's, 4 J's) and 9 cards that will complete your flush (13 spades total in the deck). That gives you 17 outs. You have 1 card left, and using the 2/4 rule this gives you 2*17= a 34% chance of hitting your draw. How much money is in the pot here? I would make a bet in this case, based on your belief that you win 34% of the time.

Having bet, this makes the river a lot easier to bet. As played, it looks like you're both on draws and unsure of your hand. You can probably make a decent bet, and pretend you filled your straight. he probably has nothing or A-high, don't let him see a free showdown!
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09-10-2009 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HUnoob
Hi!

I am a winner player. That's a start. I wonder if NL CG or HU SNG makes more profit. This is an improtant question to me, and needs to be answered.
And how difficult is learning NL CG and HU SNG at low or micro limits?
Thanks for your help.
How many hands have you played, what's your winrate, and what's the standard deviation of that winrate?
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09-11-2009 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Panik
On the flop, I hope you made a pot-sized bet.
Hero is playing LIMIT.

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On the turn, you have a very strong drawing hand. There's 8 cards that will complete your straight (4 6's, 4 J's) and 9 cards that will complete your flush (13 spades total in the deck). That gives you 17 outs.
Hero has 15 outs; you're double counting the 6 and J.

I would bet the turn for value with the strong draw. As played, probably check behind on the river. Since villain got a walk in the BB, he could have a 2 or a 7 and call you, but that's the only reason the check-behind is debatable, IMO.
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09-11-2009 , 01:22 PM
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How many hands have you played, what's your winrate, and what's the standard deviation of that winrate?
I don't know what are you asking for. I have played NL 2 SH on 4tables . I have played 6612 hands and i won 12$. That's 9.1 bb/100. I have played 13782 hands FL 0.02$/0.04$ on 9-16 tables and i won 17.34$, that's 6.29 bb/100. I am collecting points, thats why i play FL now. I have played only 3 SNGs by now, and that 3 were HU SNG. I have lost 2, and won 1. One of the lost HU SNGs was caused by the opponent's luck, we were approximately equal players i think. Do you have the answer now?
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09-12-2009 , 03:36 PM
Is there any site worth playing on besides PokerStars and FullTiltPoker? I have accounts on both, and was wondering if I should make one elsewhere. I'm pretty sure it's a good idea to stay away from UB and Absolute for now because of the whole cheating thing.

BTW, I'm a US player.

Thanks.
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09-12-2009 , 09:26 PM
I just joined on Cake, not sure if I want to deposit or not. Trying to freeroll a BR. The freeroll field is super soft. So far I manage top 10 in the last 4 attempts, just lose to suckouts.
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09-13-2009 , 11:42 AM
What is an overpair?
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09-13-2009 , 11:43 AM
Who is a raiser?
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09-13-2009 , 11:44 AM
What is a free card?
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09-13-2009 , 11:44 AM
What does being outdrawed mean?
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09-13-2009 , 11:49 AM
when no one bets and everyone goes for free to the next street
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09-13-2009 , 11:56 AM
The person who just raised.
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09-13-2009 , 11:57 AM
Where your (paired) hole cards are higher in value to any of the community cards.
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09-13-2009 , 01:40 PM
As explained above, a free card is either no bet on the flop and getting the turn card for free or no bet on the turn and getting the river card for free.

Here is how this applies. This hightlights the importance of position. Say you are on the button against three opponents and you flop the nut flush draw. It is checked around to you. Now you can "take a free card" by checking since you close the action there is no bet and the dealer will deal the turn card. If you bet here instead of checking, somebody could be slowplaying a set and checkraise you. Now, you definitely have lost a chance at getting a free card.

If you are out of position, you cannot take a free card but you can give one. Say you have AA in the SB and you raise pf. The button calls. The flop comes K T 2. If you check the flop, you may be giving a free card. So if your intent was to checkraise if the you figure the button will bet, then if he does not, you are "giving him a free card".

One other application is "buying a free card". Say you are on the button again with the nut flush draw against only SB. He bets the flop and you raise him as a semi-bluff. He may just call your raise and then check the turn. Now you can also check and you have bought a free river card. This is pretty common in Limit Holdem but can get expensive in NL Holdem. In NL, you hope sometimes SB will fold to your raise and you don't need that free card.
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09-13-2009 , 04:32 PM
how do i use the 2+2 hand re creator? Can someone link me or explain?
Thanks,
-Another n00b
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09-13-2009 , 04:37 PM
hand converter thread

easy when you know how
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09-14-2009 , 03:29 PM
Another question about terminology in an unusual situation (sorry, no hand record):

I had KQ, villain had AA. Flop comes down QQT, we both go all in at this point. Turn creates 3 diamonds on the board, villain is holding Ad. If he hits a diamond, he wins from the flush.

River card is Kd, giving him the flush, but giving me the winning FH.

My question:
1. Did what he got count as a "suckout?"
2. Did what I get count as "holding up" or a "suckout?"
3. Is there another term for this? Counterfeit, perhaps? His flush got counterfeited by my FH?

I'm confused because it seems like we both sucked out, but I sucked harder.
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09-14-2009 , 04:01 PM
i would say your hand held up. i'm sure someone might explain a bit further, but on the flop you are overwhelming favourite.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

990 games 0.078 secs 12,692 games/sec

Board: Qc Qd Td
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 87.677% 87.68% 00.00% 868 0.00 { KcQh }
Hand 1: 12.323% 12.32% 00.00% 122 0.00 { AdAs }


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I'm confused because it seems like we both sucked out, but I sucked harder.
i wouldn't admit to that ever

Last edited by bumblebee99; 09-14-2009 at 04:05 PM. Reason: and on the turn it's like 77/23, plus he has less outs
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09-14-2009 , 11:00 PM
were the cards face up?

If not, he hit a false out -- a card he might have thought was an out but wasn't.

If yes, he probably just got a momentary emotional rollercoaster ride. "YE----! nooooo."

If he hit a gutshot straight on the turn (he held AK and a Jack came) but you caught a full house on the river, that would be a suck, resuck.

as it was, nobody sucked out.
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09-15-2009 , 10:33 AM
What's a good number of hands to have on someone until their stats actually become significant? i.e. close enough to their 'true' statistics. Do different stats need different number of hands on the opponent to become useful?
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