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04-19-2020 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
It depends, and you never have no information - what did he 3b to? What is his location? What stack did he buy in for? Those are all useful things that can tell you what to do

PokerStars - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 160.4 BB
Hero (MP): 117.6 BB
CO: 105 BB
BTN: 117.4 BB
SB: 213.6 BB
BB: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 117.6 BB and is all-in, CO calls 93 BB and is all-in

Well, he looked pretty tight but in a small sample of hands so no history of 3bets. I get the point though, there was no indication he was a bad player who could call with a wide range of hands.

Safer play 4-bet x2 and call 5-bet?
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04-19-2020 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Babaprince
there was no indication he was a bad player
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Originally Posted by Babaprince
PokerStars - €0.05 NL (6 max)
that's good enough of an indication for me to stack off with kings pre
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04-19-2020 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Babaprince
PokerStars - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 160.4 BB
Hero (MP): 117.6 BB
CO: 105 BB
BTN: 117.4 BB
SB: 213.6 BB
BB: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 117.6 BB and is all-in, CO calls 93 BB and is all-in

Well, he looked pretty tight but in a small sample of hands so no history of 3bets. I get the point though, there was no indication he was a bad player who could call with a wide range of hands.

Safer play 4-bet x2 and call 5-bet?
4b/c is generally a better line than 4bj at these stack depths though villain's ridiculously huge 3bet makes that a bit closer.

Sorry villain had AA but this is a cooler if you lose.
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04-19-2020 , 11:59 AM
He had AA indeed

Last edited by Babaprince; 04-19-2020 at 12:05 PM.
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04-19-2020 , 12:45 PM
Recently I started learning poker more seriously and I got myself bunch of books, videos and charts. LOTS of charts. I decided to try them out and I was surprised how BIG difference they make. Out of curiosity I played 2 play money tournaments on pokerstars (free chips, purely entertainment activity) with 300+ players in both tournaments. I finished 18th and 3rd respectively. And I ONLY used preflop charts. I alway was just a fish, but for few hours I became fish with load of charts. And boy does it make difference when you play solid preflop strategy.

There is load of work that I must do before hitting the poker road for good, as I am simply put big time losing player now, but this made me very curious how such online tournament full of recreational players compares to 2k-10k live tournaments in terms of playing ''solid'' preflop? I assume 10k tournaments are full of at least competent players, so just solid preflop strategy won't work magic like in recreational, online tournament for free. I guess what I am asking is how greatly effectivness of decent preflop strategy diminish when we play high buy in tournaments instead of ''free for all'' tourneys.
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04-19-2020 , 01:46 PM
is Zoom harder to beat level being equal?
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04-19-2020 , 02:03 PM
666- as you would expect, play money tourneys are much easier to do well. Most opponents there will only be interested in the two cards in front of them and the board. Ranges....lol, no.

Baba- zoom opponents play a much tighter PF range. So...you need to play a bit differently than regular tables. Harder.... yes, harder to make a BUNCH of money if everyone is playing tight and NOT paying off. Pretty easy to make small ball money with so few callers PF with wide ranges.
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04-25-2020 , 03:10 PM
Very new to properly studying poker and this seems like a stupid question so this is the perfect place for it.

Where do i start to build villains range pre flop? So you have their position and bet sizing and that's all i can come up with. Do i take into consideration their RFI %? (I don't yet have a HUD as all im doing is studying the math to get faster to use in an online situation)

I'm asking to try and answer this question: Should I bother roughly estimating my pre flop equity vs their perceived range?

My mind is so full of new information and I'm having trouble organising it to a step by step checklist i should go through before making a decision in a hand - is it better to try and play and do what i can or to study and memorise figures before even going back to the tables?

This got a bit rambly so i apologise but would appreciate the help immensely
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04-25-2020 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by stefan1180
Very new to properly studying poker and this seems like a stupid question so this is the perfect place for it.

Where do i start to build villains range pre flop? So you have their position and bet sizing and that's all i can come up with. Do i take into consideration their RFI %? (I don't yet have a HUD as all im doing is studying the math to get faster to use in an online situation)

I'm asking to try and answer this question: Should I bother roughly estimating my pre flop equity vs their perceived range?

My mind is so full of new information and I'm having trouble organising it to a step by step checklist i should go through before making a decision in a hand - is it better to try and play and do what i can or to study and memorise figures before even going back to the tables?

This got a bit rambly so i apologise but would appreciate the help immensely
It's just a case of working out what a player, with the information you have on them, is likely to have given the line they've taken, same as postflop.

Equity isn't particularly important preflop.
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05-03-2020 , 06:57 PM
Hello guys, I finally managed to get some consistency in my cash game strategy. I won 4,5bb/100 at NL5 over the last 12k hands. It is a very low winrate I know, but I payed 6bb/100 rake. How big of a sample do I need to know that my winrate is based on an edge over the other players and not on luck?
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05-03-2020 , 07:03 PM
depends on stdevbb/100 and what confidence level you want

4.5bb/100 is a very solid winrate. people who tell you otherwise are from 2008.
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05-03-2020 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
depends on stdevbb/100 and what confidence level you want

4.5bb/100 is a very solid winrate. people who tell you otherwise are from 2008.
I play a 40bb strat so my deviation should be very low. The lower the standard deviation, the less hands you need to get a rough idea of your winrate if i understood you right.
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05-04-2020 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by lkr95
I play a 40bb strat so my deviation should be very low.
Not sure on that, and be careful, saying words like that to some people here is like telling them you've killed their cat
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05-04-2020 , 04:52 AM
Playing 40bb is very infamous or what do you want to tell me with that?
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05-04-2020 , 10:16 AM
Use to be back in the age of the dinosaurs that 20bb was the basis for shortstacking. When did it move to 40bb?

for the record, I played about half a million hands using 40bb and found it a lot less boring than 20bb. BUT..... back then, 40bb was said to be in No Man's Land territory and less than ideal strategy.
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05-04-2020 , 11:01 AM
When Stars changed it, as that's the only place bad players who, rather than adapting their game resort to whining about it, tend to congregate
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05-04-2020 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lkr95
Playing 40bb is very infamous or what do you want to tell me with that?
people tend not to like it because they don't know how to play against it

at 5NL playing 40bb tends to be leaving a lot of money on the table against weaker players. it's a super-easy way to learn a winning strategy but realistically I'd learn to play 100bb as well. biggest edges tend to be mega-deep (300+bb deep)
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05-05-2020 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
people tend not to like it because they don't know how to play against it

at 5NL playing 40bb tends to be leaving a lot of money on the table against weaker players. it's a super-easy way to learn a winning strategy but realistically I'd learn to play 100bb as well. biggest edges tend to be mega-deep (300+bb deep)
I found that in the swingy game of poker you should master a strategy to the degree, that you beat the game over a large sample before you move to another strategy. Is that the right way to do it?
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05-10-2020 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by lkr95
I found that in the swingy game of poker you should master a strategy to the degree, that you beat the game over a large sample before you move to another strategy. Is that the right way to do it?
it's more about learning to think about poker

being able to do the same stuff over and over again without knowing why you do it is useless
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05-12-2020 , 06:51 AM
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I finished 18th and 3rd respectively
Lol mtt's are high variance. It's 90% luck and 10% skill. You could of sun runned to these spots. Results really mean *** all but at the same time do.

Just ****** sun run and have your mates declare your the best mtt player in the world and have the same confidence yourself. Your pretty good at mtts so put the work in (the 10%) and you could be sun running (90%) in the 10k's too and winning millions.
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05-13-2020 , 09:06 AM
The mods have deleted my thread WHERE I WAS TOLD TO POST.



Dear legionrainfall,

You have received a warning at Two Plus Two Poker Forums.

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PG&C is not a strategy forum.
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05-13-2020 , 09:34 AM
General Poker Strategy in the micro stakes section

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05-13-2020 , 10:41 AM
I asked you to move your strategy discussions to micro 6Max NL. HERE

Instead, you started a blog-ish in PGC where..... playing strategy is not part of Poker Goals and Challenges.

BTW...when you start posting in micro 6Max NL..... the mods and regulars there do NOT appreciate multiple daily posts any more than the mods and regulars in BQ. I suggest .... read more than post. And as a warning, calling good poker strategy advice as sheeple mentality BS will endear you to no one.
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05-14-2020 , 01:32 PM
Trying to get my head around equity and EV. I get that EV takes so much more into concern than equity. However when you are in a pre-flop situation, what makes someone consider 5h6h having a higer EV than Qh6h? Is it because your would play the hands differently?
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05-15-2020 , 05:56 AM
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Trying to get my head around equity and EV. I get that EV takes so much more into concern than equity. However when you are in a pre-flop situation, what makes someone consider 5h6h having a higer EV than Qh6h? Is it because your would play the hands differently?
Whether 65s > Q6s will depend on stack depth (Q6s will gain value relative to 65s when very short or very deep). EV will be based on a lot of things but key benefits of 65s are that it normally draws to nutted hands and therefore benefits from strong visibility, flops at least some equity quite often and can therefore be played aggressively in more spots, and so forth.
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