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07-23-2011 , 10:39 PM
TY, MB!
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07-23-2011 , 10:44 PM
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TY, MB!
Sorry, blue line is showdown winnings, bottom red line is non-showdown winnings.
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07-24-2011 , 01:34 PM
Can someone comment on my stats?



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07-24-2011 , 06:18 PM
Shagz:
(1) impressive graph, congratulations
(2) Stop posting the blinds when not in the blind. It's not a lot of money, but still about 3% of your winnings.
(3) Your cold-calling rate is slightly too high. Basically PFR should be > 75% of VPIP.
(4) Your postflop aggression is also just a bit on the low side (AF < 3), but you have an impressive W$WSF%, so you must be doing something right.
(5) what is really odd about your stats, is that postflop aggression is about the same on all streets: usually flop agg > turn agg > river agg. Your flop aggression is definitely a bit low, but turn and river are very aggressive. Your W$SD is too low, so it looks like you are barreling a bit too much.
(6) other than that, you are doing VERY well.
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07-25-2011 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
Shagz:
(1) impressive graph, congratulations
(2) Stop posting the blinds when not in the blind. It's not a lot of money, but still about 3% of your winnings.
(3) Your cold-calling rate is slightly too high. Basically PFR should be > 75% of VPIP.
(4) Your postflop aggression is also just a bit on the low side (AF < 3), but you have an impressive W$WSF%, so you must be doing something right.
(5) what is really odd about your stats, is that postflop aggression is about the same on all streets: usually flop agg > turn agg > river agg. Your flop aggression is definitely a bit low, but turn and river are very aggressive. Your W$SD is too low, so it looks like you are barreling a bit too much.
(6) other than that, you are doing VERY well.
1) Thank you!
2) Makes sense.
3) So when IP with hands like KQo, KJo or suited connectors would I be more inclined to 3bet against villains with higher fold to 3bet (except against super nits), or against taggier villains raising late MP or CO while I'm on the button? or fold (depending on reads or history of the raiser behind me)
4/5) I'm guessing this means more cbetting and betting for value? If I raise PF I'll mostly always be wanting to bet the flop.

I appreciate the advice
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07-25-2011 , 03:28 AM
Calling with potentially dominated hands like KJo is always dangerous. These hands have a rather high reverse implied odds risk (you win small pots and lose big ones with them. This means that calling is more for small pocket pairs and suited connectors that play easy postflop. Theoretically that is an exploitable range but I wouldn't worry about it.
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07-27-2011 , 02:35 PM
Hello guys, i'm a "new" poker player, eager to learn, i've only played 10k hands right now, but i would like you to comment on my stats so far, i would really apreciate your advices and recomendations, thanks.





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07-27-2011 , 04:04 PM
SERGE85: I see a number of big leaks in your game. In fact, I am very surprised you are doing as well as you do with them.
Your biggest apparent leaks are in preflop play:
(1) Your VP$IP/PFR is 23/8. This means you are calling most off the time you play a hand. That is bad. Preflop, you want to play a hand if you think it's the best hand around. If not, you fold. If so, you raise. For good strategy PFR will be about 3/4 of VPIP.
(2) You have no position awareness, playing the same amount of hands from all positions. Because have later position is a huge advantage in NL Holdem, you should play way more hands in late position (2 to 3 times as much as from early position).
(3) Postflop, you are also too passive, not betting most of the time, even with made hands.
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07-27-2011 , 04:20 PM
Thanks for your advice, I'll try to work on my flaws and improve my game.
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07-27-2011 , 05:10 PM
fabadam can you please explain how river call efficiency is worked out?
and what is the guide lines for it? i mean what is a decent figure?
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07-27-2011 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RedGladiator
fabadam can you please explain how river call efficiency is worked out?
and what is the guide lines for it? i mean what is a decent figure?
The HEM site/help has excellent explanations of all stats. River Call Efficiency (RCE) is a fairly complex stat, but definitely important. It adds up all the times you call or check/call the river.

I actually prefer to look at River Call Efficiency $ (RCE$), which is clearer to me.
RCE$ basically says exactly what the net result of all your calls on the river was, on the assumption that you would have folded otherwise (so it ignores the possibility of raising).
Now, RCE$ is basically OK if > 0: you now have more money than you would have had if you had folded all those times you called on the river.
Of course, you want to have it a lot > 0, because if it's just a little over 0, you probably made a bunch of bad calls too.

RCE is the amount of money you won for every $ you called. So if you call a $10 bet into a $20 pot and win, your RCE is 3 there.
I usually look at RCE over small samples (1 session), and my experience is that if I have played well and made non-stupid river calls, my RCE will be >2 or so. Certainly anything below 1.5 or so means you have been a stupid calling station.

EDIT: just found mpethybridge's site mpethypoker.com -- he's a CardRunners coach that works stats based, basically what I do here, but he looks at EVERYTHING. He says RCE should be between 1.75 and 2.2 or so. That makes sense. Too low and you're a calling station. Too high and you're folding a ton of winners.
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07-27-2011 , 07:23 PM
I've got:
RCE 1.83
RCE$ $46.63 (about 20k hands 2/3 on 2nl rest on 5nl)

i just added 'river call win %' to the stats, which is 35.7% that can't be good can it??
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07-28-2011 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by RedGladiator
I've got:
RCE 1.83
RCE$ $46.63 (about 20k hands 2/3 on 2nl rest on 5nl)

i just added 'river call win %' to the stats, which is 35.7% that can't be good can it??
That is probably not bad at all. If someone is betting halp pot on the river, you are getting 3 to 1, so you only need to win 25%.
Even for a pot sized bet, you only need to win 33% to make the call +EV.
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07-28-2011 , 06:55 AM
Thanks again =) will checkout mpethypoker.com and the hem websites.
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07-29-2011 , 10:45 AM
just wanted to say congrats to fab on his new custom title. he earned it with all his contributions to this thread. he's been a great poster for many years and whilst most of you wont know it...he used to play limit poker once before crossing to the dark side. thanks fab, u more than earned the title. gogogo

note: i take no responsibility for the (un)clever play on words. reading ur soul slash reading ur numbers.
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07-29-2011 , 09:05 PM
Wp Fabadam , I know you have helped me out and I thank you for that .
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07-30-2011 , 12:03 AM
Hi all,

I've been trying to play properly the last two weeks and have spurned off a fair amount. Just when I had broken even I had a fairly bad run not helped by chasing a lot. I think that some of my holes are rooted in folding a lot to 3 bets, playing too many marginal hands mid/utg positions and some ill conceived bluffs. My vpip is a bit high too but I do look for weak players and so tend to call more hands against them.

Would really appreciate some advice before I lose any more!

Cheers!








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07-30-2011 , 12:53 AM
Can't seem to be able to edit first post but thought I'd post this too:



AA and KK should surely be winning hands? I've been drawn out on getting it all in preflop a few times (last time AA vs 32s) and am now learning to fold kings to strong 3 bets preflop against tighter players. Obvs should be throwing away AJ more too.
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07-30-2011 , 01:08 AM
Thelyncher , Your vpip pfr gap is way too high . Quit calling so much pre . Tighten up in ep. Quit open limping . No matter what you're thinking , never open limp a hand , just don't .you are very un-positionally aware . By doing so much calling , you are not putting your opponents to any kind of difficult decisions . You can only win by making a hand by calling . Be the aggressor instead and it will improve your game .

Fabadam wil help you out more , I'm still kinda new to this
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07-30-2011 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by OziBattler
just wanted to say congrats to fab on his new custom title. he earned it with all his contributions to this thread. he's been a great poster for many years and whilst most of you wont know it...he used to play limit poker once before crossing to the dark side. thanks fab, u more than earned the title. gogogo

note: i take no responsibility for the (un)clever play on words. reading ur soul slash reading ur numbers.
Thanks Ozi. Ah yes, those limit days. When you would just call the flop raise so you could check raise the turn to shave off another 0.3 BB or so of value.
Those games got really tough very quickly, and I followed the fish to NL.
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07-30-2011 , 04:01 AM
Thelyncher: Iam basically repeating Leroy here, but I'll still say it:
(1) Your worst problem is the horribly position unawareness, playing about the same set of hands in every position. Position is immensely important in NL Holdem. You should tighten WAY up in early position and loosen up a lot in late position. Read the stickies in the Micro NL forum to see what sort of hands you should be playing in each position.
(2) Also, you are limping way too much. Your overall preflop stats indicate that your attitude is "try to see a flop and see if I hit". That's not good. You are trying to win the pot, until it looks like you cant and then you fold. So
(*) No open limping, ever. When first in, raise or fold.
(*) With one limper in front of you, almost never limp along, iso-raise or fold. You may limp small pair and medium suited connectors here.
(*) In the blinds, play as tight as UTG, don't call just because it's cheap. You are going to be out of position the rest of the hand and that's an expensive hobby.
(3) Postflop, your aggression is reasonably OK, but it looks like you are still calling a bit too much -- your AF is <3 while AggFreq% is OK.
(4) Your bad results with AA may be just bad luck variance, but could also indicate you have trouble folding big hands when you are beat.
Basically, when people raise you and then keep betting at these stakes, they can beat your overpair.
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07-30-2011 , 07:11 PM
Thanks to Fabadam and Leroy_jenkins. You gave me really clear advice and it's already improving my game. Hopefully I'll be making a little profit over the next 10,000 hands and can get some more advice when I've improved a bit!

Cheers!
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07-30-2011 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OziBattler
just wanted to say congrats to fab on his new custom title. he earned it with all his contributions to this thread. he's been a great poster for many years and whilst most of you wont know it...he used to play limit poker once before crossing to the dark side. thanks fab, u more than earned the title. gogogo
Seconded. Well played fabadam.
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08-04-2011 , 01:33 AM
This looks like a great thread. Noobs like me really appreciate you guys sharing your advice. However, I've been getting discouraged reading the last few pages. I'm able to see the same leaks that you are in the games of players who are winning, but somehow I haven't been able to consistently win at any level. Once I get to 10k hands on my current level I'll post my stats and let you see if there is some glaring problem I've missed.
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08-04-2011 , 04:58 PM
I really need some feedback on my play the last week or so. I'm playing 5NL 6max and I've been bleeding money lately. I played like 50k hands 4 months ago, but I've been inactive since. At that time I played 10-15 tables and was playing really, really nitty with a more or less break even winrate, so I wanted to get a fresh start by starting to play a little more TAG/LAGish. That hasn't worked out well, so now I could really use some feedback. I've been running horrible today (just lost a full BI with AA v AA which is like 50% of my loosings), but I've not been playing well at all. I feel like I'm soooo much better that the average player at 5NL, but obviously there's some important point I've missed. Given the time I've spent reviewing my play, watching videos, reading forums etc, its really embarassing that I keep getting eaten alive at this level.

I've only got a sample size of 6k hands. I know its a small sample, but it paints the picture of how I play pretty well. The first thing I notice is the position stats from the small blind. I think the reason why this is so high is that Im opening up with a very wide range when it's folded to me and there's a tight player in the big blind.



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