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01-28-2011 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by McFlush1
Hello. I have imported 1mil hands and now hud dosen't working and if I click on stats this - http://www.********/perziura/385fd1b7...42453ea328.jpg Please help me, something wrong with this...
You'd better take this to the Software forum, or even better go to PT3 support.
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01-28-2011 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ragstoriches
4 : "you are very passive on the flop,k but very aggressive on turn and river. It looks like you are habitually checking (slow-playing?) the flop"

Again being honest to myself and realized when you said it , but alot of my all-in shoves fail HARD when i try to slow play two pair but mostly set+ hands.The reason being is that sometimes half way through a session im not making any money or if do will be very little so when situations like this happen i try to make the most I can.
I don't understand what you are trying to say here. But I can at least advise you not to look at single sessions too much (or better not at all).
Try to focus on the best decisions for the hand you are playing now, on this street.


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Since ive only been seriously playing for less than a month its hard to grasp what type of figures im looking per session at the stakes im currently playing and tables ( I understand that play time will have an affect). There was a week were i was playing tight and was averaging about lets say $5-10 a session is this standard return of money?
I have no idea, it depends on your winrate, the length of your session, and the number of tables you play.
Also, because of variance, any given session can be -10 buy-ins or +10 buy-ins and anywhere in between.


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As i mentioned this is were i have issues with small pocket to med im talking about 8'-J's, If i raise preflop it usually 3x + depending on position , if i get called and the flop has 1 or 2 over cards i will usually check if out of pos , if villian checks ill bet turn regardless if i get called or raise then i usually fold, this adds to my stats as u mentioned about high turn and river bets. Its been mixed results for betting for value sometimes i get paid off sometimes i don't and when i don't it usually hurts more than the amount when im getting paid.
When you raise 88 preflop and get called, and the flop comes AJ3r, I usually bet, trying to represent the ace (AK/AQ/AJ). It is a bit villain dependent though.
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01-28-2011 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by zaiga000
That seems very reasonable. I also open raise any offsuit ace from the button. I'm just surprised that your PFR isn't a bit higher then. Maybe your raise 1st in is higher and your PFR is much lower because you often have limpers or raisers before you?



Just keep an eye on your opponent to your left. If it's a tight, multitabling night, he just may fold to about any raise. If it's a calling station, don't bother stealing the blinds with T7o or something, and stick to a tighter range. Some people even let you steal their BB with a minraise.



This is fine. Like, I said, 3betting light is only marginally +ev by itself.



A "normal" W$SD is usually in the low fifties. If it's 60% or higher, it means you have the best hand in the showdown too often. It means you might have missed an opportunity for a value bet, or that you fold the best hand too often.

I think the reason that my PFR is a little low is because I used to be tighter and because I often have limpers/raisers as you pointed out.

I am going to start using different sizings vs different players. Tight/weak or aggressive games, I will go smaller. Loose and fishy games, I will go bigger.

Yes, I understand this W$SD concept. I have a hard time folding though and I honestly do valuebet light. It must just be the games I sit in are too easy
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01-28-2011 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
Mike_Gtfc: Wow, 10/7 really is nitty, even for fullring. Your biggest leak, as I see it, is that you are not at all position aware -- your VPIP/PFR is about the same in all positions. Your steal percentage from the button is 12%, which means you are basically not stealing blinds at all, just opening the same hands as ever.
My button steal% (Button UO PFR) is something like 60%, and I am pretty sure anything below 40% is just leaving money on the table.
You might benefit by looking in the stickies on the fullring forums, I am pretty sure there is something there that advises you what to open in which position.
Your postflop aggression is also too low (AF=2.5), especially given your extremely tight range of hands -- you should be blasting at pretty much every flop.
I thought I was being too nitty, probably playing too many tables so I've cut back and focused on opening up my ranges. Seeing improvement already hope I can keep it going. Thanks for the feedback, I probably should of spotted it myself just by looking at my stats but having someone else point it out definitely helps identify it.
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01-29-2011 , 01:38 PM
Hy.I post some stats and hope some one watch over and give some advice.I play poker for 10 months,first months i play without read or see a video just playing donk poker.Put about 10$ and play,loose,recharge in total about 200bucks.In octomber i start to read some forums and watch 2,3 videos and i say that i must start to play a lot better.I start with 4$ and now i got 105$.But i fell that im moveing to slow.See someone goes from 2NL to 10NL in 2 months and make all most a 1k.This is way i need some opinion about my stats to find leaks in my game and hope to upgread my game.The stats are from 2nl and very few 5/10nl

P.S:i dont know how to put pics so put links

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8586/positionk.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4619/graphyc.jpg
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01-29-2011 , 04:01 PM
andy_wpo:
You have the stats of a tight-passive, mousy player. You are fairly tight, though not really tight, and MUCH TOO passive.
Also, you have a nearly complete lack of positional awareness.
(1) You nearly never raise preflop, instead just call. A basic good tight-aggressive strategy means you raise when you likely have the best hand, and fold otherwise. Calling is done very few times preflop.
(2) You have the same stats in each position (except blinds), while the best strategy is to play very right in the early positions, and much looser in late position, where you have the huge informational advantage of seeing everyone act before you. Also, when there are 2 people left to act, chances they have a big hand are much smaller than when there are 8 left behind you.
(3) Postflop, you are also very passive, nearly never betting. When you likely have the best hand, bet bet bet. Value is the name of the game. When you have a good hand, you must see that money goes into the pot.

I'm not sure what videos you have been watching, but I bet that in most of them, you won't see such passive play.
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01-29-2011 , 04:26 PM
tnks fabadam.Yeah i know im very passive but most because at 2NL everybody play veryloose saw they call with any two cards even if you make a rise preflop and to be sincere to raise with any thing than TPTK or pair it i see it like looseing a lot of money.If i raise with KJ or Q10 got 2 callers and i dont hit the flop and cbet and they call,miss the turn,check and one bet,i fold and i loose some BB.This is way i dont raise much,even that i know that raising is the correct play but now if i think better im a fish and like all fish i want to see some cheap flops
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01-29-2011 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by andy_wpo
tnks fabadam.Yeah i know im very passive but most because at 2NL everybody play veryloose saw they call with any two cards even if you make a rise preflop and to be sincere to raise with any thing than TPTK or pair it i see it like looseing a lot of money.If i raise with KJ or Q10 got 2 callers and i dont hit the flop and cbet and they call,miss the turn,check and one bet,i fold and i loose some BB.This is way i dont raise much,even that i know that raising is the correct play but now if i think better im a fish and like all fish i want to see some cheap flops
1. 'Everyone calls at 2nl' is not true, it's villain and table dependant. If you are at a table where you always get called, tighten up preflop and raise your smaller range higher and with a smile, knowing that you are ahead of their range.

2. You can certainly raise more often without having to play trouble hands like KJ in a multiway pot, because right now you are raising very few hands.

3. As a fellow beginner I generally stick to playing QTo only when you can raise with it and try to steal the blinds i.e. in LP or SB.

4. Also as a fellow beginner, we are not better than the fish. We are the fish. Not being the fish means mastering the basics of preflop play as a minimum starting point.

Last edited by Mr Beer; 01-29-2011 at 04:44 PM.
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01-29-2011 , 08:11 PM
If they call your raises with worse hands, that is kind of what you want: everytime you get money put into the pot when you are ahead, you will win money in the long run.

Also, when you raise there are 2 ways to win the pot: either (1) evryone folds (yes! money!) or (2) you can win at showdown.
When you call, you can only win by having the best hand at showdown.

The basic value premise of poker is quite simple: whenever you put money in the pot as the favourite, this will win money in the long run. That is really all there is to it.
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01-29-2011 , 09:29 PM
Tnks guys,i will apply this things and try to improve my game,it looks like i got a lot of leaks
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02-03-2011 , 12:19 AM
anyone know how to fix play from the blinds? i got HEM dunno what filtered graphs would help just ask. hopefully ill be able to post
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02-03-2011 , 02:52 AM
justfoldpleaseok: There is the "By Position" report on the main tab that shows your stats for each position. That is the main one for this sort of thing.
Don't get your hopes up too high: everyone loses in the blinds, and a lot.
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02-03-2011 , 07:15 AM
Can anyone give me some tips on some things that might be wrong from the following stats? I feel like this is swinging WAY too much for 2NL. Any help would be immensely appreciated.
PS I know the sample size is tiny, but it's enough to know I'm doing something wrong.





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02-03-2011 , 07:28 AM
That is a total swing of about 750 BBs. Totally standard over a few thousand hands at every level, much more so at one where you can buy-in for 250 BB rather than 100 BB.
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02-03-2011 , 08:02 AM
11223344554433: don't ever open limp preflop. Stop calling preflop raises so much. Open raise a lot more yourself, especially from CO and BTN. Your preflop 17/8 stats should be more like 17/15. Right now, it's too easy to play against you.
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02-03-2011 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by zaiga000
11223344554433: don't ever open limp preflop. Stop calling preflop raises so much. Open raise a lot more yourself, especially from CO and BTN. Your preflop 17/8 stats should be more like 17/15. Right now, it's too easy to play against you.
I try to keep open limping to a minimum, but often I'll get tempted with hands like KQo or KJs from EP. Should I be raising or folding these hands? Thanks for the advice.
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02-03-2011 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 11223344554433
I try to keep open limping to a minimum, but often I'll get tempted with hands like KQo or KJs from EP. Should I be raising or folding these hands? Thanks for the advice.
Absolutely, limping is about the worst thing you can do with these hands. What are you hoping to achieve by limping? If you flop a pair, it's pretty much a reverse implied odds situation where you will win a small pot if you have the best hand, or lose a big one if someone dominates you. Especially from EP where you are also out of position a lot of the time.
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02-03-2011 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
Absolutely, limping is about the worst thing you can do with these hands. What are you hoping to achieve by limping? If you flop a pair, it's pretty much a reverse implied odds situation where you will win a small pot if you have the best hand, or lose a big one if someone dominates you. Especially from EP where you are also out of position a lot of the time.
Makes sense. I certainly need to evaluate my game a lot before expecting to make any profit. Thanks for the help guys.
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02-04-2011 , 12:43 PM
Have been playing these 20bb shortstack games since they started last month and got in almost 50k hands. The first half went ok and was just above breakeven, but am down about 1ptbb/100 for the 2nd half. Just wanted to discuss some strategy and share my pt stats to try to improve.

Opening Hand Ranges
UTG: AQs+, 99+
UTG+1: AJs+,77+
CO: A9s+, 55+
Button: Can't be too specific on this, as will vary a lot depending on villains in the blinds. Will tighten my range if blinds are shoving back a decent amount.

Opening Raise Sizes
I have experimented with various raise sizes from 3x to 2.5x to 2x and occasionally open shoving. I found I have had most success with the 2.5x as 2x raises seem to get flatted by fish way too much and then i'm having to sometimes play marginal hands multiway with fish who donk the flop and take the initiative in the hand. Have read some good posts on here about PFR sizes and I think varying them depending on position and opponent is the best strategy. As far as open shoving goes, I would like to here some opinions on that. I'm talking about open shoving the bottom of your range, like AQ from UTG, or 88 from MP, as these hands can be awkward to play multi way post flop when stack sizes are shallow.

As for my HUD stats, I will post a screenshot of them to be scrutinised.



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02-04-2011 , 01:23 PM
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02-04-2011 , 04:06 PM
Sillbags: that's some interesting stuff you gathered there. It also seems to serve as proof that just nitting it up with a short-stack strategy won't work.
I'm a bit confused. If you're willing to do this amount of work, and studying the game and your opponents, why not just learn to play poker? With the amount of work and observation you're putting in, you could easily be crushing these games by playing full stack and play poker.
I do note you are playing way too passive postflop, with your nitty range your AF should be gigantic.
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02-04-2011 , 04:46 PM
Thanks fabadam, I have been a tournament player for the last few years, and am very comfortable with 20bb stacks, so decided to try the cap games to transition to cash. I realised I was too nitty at these 6max games, maybe I should have played full ring with these stats, but didn't know exactly how to open up my game, as when I tried it I just felt like I was spewing. I do think that these 20bb cap games are barely profitable, but pretty easy to make SN status if you 8-12 table for a couple of hours a day. I agree that the good players are better off playing full stacked, just these were more in my comfort zone atm
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02-04-2011 , 06:54 PM
Silllbags: the biggest strangeness in your stas shows up in that PT3 table that shows your Aggression on each street, and what you're doing on every one. You basically seem to check/fold nearly every flop.
With your range in 20 BB cap games, that is just totally ridiculous. You could just shove every flop regardless of your hand and do better.
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02-04-2011 , 08:09 PM
hi,

Just after a little bit of advice. only recently bought pokertracker and after each session I find that there is a massive discrepancy between my red and blue lines. Is this standard? if not, could you tell me (if it's possible to work out of this basic info) what my possible leak is? Is there something basic I'm doing wrong which I could work on and fix this?
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02-05-2011 , 03:00 AM
Special_Kay: a red line going down is very normal. You win the most money usually by having the best hand at showdown (blue line), not by bluffing opponents off of huge pots (red line). A lot of good players having a negative redline. As long as your blue line more than makes up for it, it is not a problem.
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