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02-03-2010 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
SomethingFishy: this looks fairly solid. I can't see your stats-by-position here, but you steal a decent amount so I guess you understand position. Not much bad to see. Your Aggression Factor is VERY high, which may mean you should be calling a bit more. However, generally people have big hands when they bet at NL10, so you could well be right to just fold nearly always when they bet or raise.
Thank you so much for the input, this is the first time ive had my stuff critiqued. Now, do you think my aggression is too high? what you said is pretty much the jist of it, I am really very aggressive and the infamous red line everyones talking about is actually fairly positive for me. and i pretty much listen very carefully to anyone at 10nl telling me they have a hand. Also, is there any way to post my position stats and would this be beneficial? when i pull it up in PTR its just like 6 rows then a big blank screen.
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02-03-2010 , 04:04 PM
SomethingFishy:
You can just have a look at your positional stats yourself in PT3. Essentially all I look for in this thread is to see whether your button VPIP/PFR is about twice as high as the UTG VPIP/PFR (in 6-max, even more in fullring I think). So, if you play 16/16 UTG, you can play something like 36/30 on the button.

Furthermore, your stats as posted: you are indeed VERY aggressive, betting/raising more than 50% of the time. That could be too much, but when we get down to that level of detail, you're better off posting individual hands in the NL microstakes forum than looking at your stats. After all, you're not playing to get your stats right, you're playing to make the most +EV plays, and at some point that means you have to look at actual played hands.
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02-04-2010 , 12:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fabadam
SomethingFishy:
You can just have a look at your positional stats yourself in PT3. Essentially all I look for in this thread is to see whether your button VPIP/PFR is about twice as high as the UTG VPIP/PFR (in 6-max, even more in fullring I think). So, if you play 16/16 UTG, you can play something like 36/30 on the button.

Furthermore, your stats as posted: you are indeed VERY aggressive, betting/raising more than 50% of the time. That could be too much, but when we get down to that level of detail, you're better off posting individual hands in the NL microstakes forum than looking at your stats. After all, you're not playing to get your stats right, you're playing to make the most +EV plays, and at some point that means you have to look at actual played hands.
i posted one of my more aggressive hands on your advice and i get a bunch of views but no one has anything to post on it. i would love for you to tell me that this is too aggressive (which for some reason i think you might) or at least tell me something. i dont post a lot cause i always think stuff either looks standard (mistake im sure) or is kind of abnormal way or playing i guess...http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...e-flop-702468/

Last edited by SomethingFishy; 02-04-2010 at 12:44 AM. Reason: forgot link
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02-05-2010 , 06:11 PM


Am running terrible in this sample. (got quads over nut boat 2x for 200bb pots at 50NL, running 9 buy ins below EV for 25NL, but that's just variance and will even out. )

Do you guys see any major leaks in these stats? I thought: Maybe a bit too tight UTG? And I could maybe 3bet a little more on the BTN?

Is my Flop aggresion very high, or is that fine?
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02-05-2010 , 07:29 PM
BoterSMoter: the only really noticeable thing is your huge range jump between CO and button. You play like really tight all the way and then just spaz out on the button. And it works. Suggestion is to open up relatively more in Hijack and cutoff.
Also, I don't know why you lose from UTG, must be the runbad concentrated there or so.
Your Flop AF is high, but not crazy. 3bet, I honestly don't think it matters all that much at these stakes. That sort of thing is just so villain-dependent. In general, I think you should just 3bet light against thinking people with a very wide range (like a good player who steal 40-50% on the button -- you can 3bet him from the blinds a ton because he's folding a massive percentage.
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02-06-2010 , 05:06 AM
I have been playing 2NL FR for 10k hands now, and I would appreciate any comments you may have on my stats, or anything where I could improve.







My 26bb/100 is probably not sustainable? Anyway, thank you in advance for any comments :)
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02-06-2010 , 07:39 AM
Iseviex: your numbers look solid tight. I wouldn't expect 26 bb/100 to be sustainable, but it's well possible that 20 bb/100 is at this level.
Only thing I see in your stats that looks wrong is the very high flop aggression and then quite low aggression on turn and river. That might be good at NL2, so I'm not sure it's a leak, but it looks like you are c-betting a bit too automatically and then too automatically let go when called. So maybe try to recognize some villains/situations where they will fold to more pressure, not so much because you have to do so at this level, but to learn to recognize the situations for later.
But don't overdo it, just try a few stabs every now and then when you think it's right, and see how it works.
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02-07-2010 , 06:48 AM
Thanks. I'll be trying 5NL a bit and see how it goes, so far seems pretty similar to 2NL, perhaps opponents are a little bit tighter, but stealing blinds is easier. I'll keep the things you mentioned in mind :)
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02-07-2010 , 01:04 PM
Hey dudes, just switched over to 6max, these are my first 10k hands at 4nl on ipoker, how are they looking?? Should be moving up to 10nl this week hopefully so just wanted a check for any glaring leaks before it matters that little bit more!

Any advice would be much appreciated



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02-07-2010 , 01:09 PM
Graph swings look a bit extreme there, specially the one at the end, but it may be something to do with the multi-currency issues with HEM, first 6k ish hands look like they might be on the dollar tables, after that is where i was rolled for the £ and € ones i think
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02-07-2010 , 06:13 PM
Hey guys.. Any advice is truly appreciated.

The typical story: I started playing online SNG's about 6 months ago. Like most I lost several smaller deposits quickly, realized I was doing something very wrong, started reading and playing more, and finally deposited an actual bankroll and played strictly within my limits. Almost 30k hands later my game has definitely improved and I haven't had to deposit since, but I'm still struggling to get a good ROI going. In fact I'm just over breaking even which is frustrating for how many games I've played since that last deposit.

I don't have PT3 because I have a mac but I have poker copilot. These are mostly $5 SNG's on Full tilt.

Tournaments played: 353
# Hands: 27,810
Total winnings $45.90
3% return on investment
42% in the money

19% VPIP
12% preflop raise
52% postflop aggression frequency
2.67 post-flop aggression factor (not sure how this is calculated)

26% blind stealing attempts
73% Folded big blind to steal attempt

9.54% check-raised
37% went to showdown
54% won at showdown
24% won without showdown
4.47% Three-bet preflop
13% Called preflop raise

54% Folded to three-bet preflop
64% Continuation bet
51% Folded to continuation bet

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Position:
Button 22.84 BB/100 hands, VPIP 28%, Raised 20%, Agg 63%
Cut-off 24.91 BB/100 hands, VPIP 18%, Raised 13%, Agg 58%
+1 19.48 BB/100 hands, VPIP 15%, Raised 10%, Aggr 56%
+2 5.57 BB/100 hands, VPIP 10%, Raised 7%, Aggr 49%
+3 23.18 BB/100 hands, VPIP 10%, Raised 6%, Aggr 55%
+4 29.09 BB/100 hands, VPIP 10%, Raised 6%, Aggr 65%
+5 7.32 BB/100 hands, VPIP 7% Raised 4%, Aggr 65%
Big -23.44, saw 39% of flops, VPIP 12%, raised 5%, aggr 45%
Small -20.48, saw 19% of flops, VPIP 29%, raised 14%, aggr 58%

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Hands:

Of the hands I play voluntarily more than 25% of the time, these are the ones in the red:

QJo
A5o
87s
A4s
QJs
A8s
44
66
77

I really do love this game. The money is not as important to me as becoming a skilled player.. But for all of the time I spend playing the game I'd like to see better results. Again any help for the newbie-hopefully-not-a-total-fish Roy would be truly appreciated. Thanks.
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02-07-2010 , 07:09 PM
oreangepeeleo: Looks solid. Perhaps steal a bit more from the cutoff, and it looks like you could value bet the river a bit more, but that's rather minimal.
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02-07-2010 , 07:11 PM
Roy Basch: stats for SNGs are rather meaningless, since your strategy changes enormously when the blinds go up.
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02-08-2010 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
Roy Basch: stats for SNGs are rather meaningless, since your strategy changes enormously when the blinds go up.
Makes sense.. obviously I'm doing something(s) wrong though. How do I go about finding out where the leaks are? My suspicion is that it's my play after the bubble bursts since I'm in the money almost half the time. I wonder what I'm doing differently from those people who ROI 15-20%..
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02-08-2010 , 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Roy G Basch
Makes sense.. obviously I'm doing something(s) wrong though. How do I go about finding out where the leaks are? My suspicion is that it's my play after the bubble bursts since I'm in the money almost half the time. I wonder what I'm doing differently from those people who ROI 15-20%..
Go to the single-tble tournament forum here, or read Colin Moshman's book on SNGs, which goes a lot into bubble play. Also, look into stuff like SNGwiz.
Short synopsis: when on the buibble with high blinds, open-push a metric buttload.
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02-09-2010 , 01:07 PM
Thanks for the advice fabadam, glad to see i've transitioned from FR well
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02-12-2010 , 05:58 AM
I am currently having problems beating 5NL for some reason. I feel like I have a solid understanding of my vilians and their ranges, board texture, etc. Although, I have my fair share of tilt and playing ******ed, I am not sure if I am just running bad or not.


overall stats


position stats


5nl graph


Thanks.
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02-12-2010 , 08:29 AM
snackpacks: Overall stats are reasonable, but you are definitely not aggressive enough postflop.
Your overall AF is below 3, Your AggFreq% on the flop is less than 30% (how is that even possible?) and your flop c-bet% is only 45% or os, and it is higher out of position. That definitely is weak-tight. C-bet relentlessly in position, I don't think that percentage should ever be below 60%, and at micro stakes you can often get away with more than 80%.
(If they're not folding a lot to your c-bets, good, because it means your c-bets with missed AQ and AK actually become value bets.)
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02-12-2010 , 02:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy G Basch
Hey guys.. Any advice is truly appreciated.

The typical story: I started playing online SNG's about 6 months ago. Like most I lost several smaller deposits quickly, realized I was doing something very wrong, started reading and playing more, and finally deposited an actual bankroll and played strictly within my limits. Almost 30k hands later my game has definitely improved and I haven't had to deposit since, but I'm still struggling to get a good ROI going. In fact I'm just over breaking even which is frustrating for how many games I've played since that last deposit.

I don't have PT3 because I have a mac but I have poker copilot. These are mostly $5 SNG's on Full tilt.

Tournaments played: 353
# Hands: 27,810
Total winnings $45.90
3% return on investment
42% in the money

19% VPIP
12% preflop raise
52% postflop aggression frequency
2.67 post-flop aggression factor (not sure how this is calculated)

26% blind stealing attempts
73% Folded big blind to steal attempt

9.54% check-raised
37% went to showdown
54% won at showdown
24% won without showdown
4.47% Three-bet preflop
13% Called preflop raise

54% Folded to three-bet preflop
64% Continuation bet
51% Folded to continuation bet

----

Position:
Button 22.84 BB/100 hands, VPIP 28%, Raised 20%, Agg 63%
Cut-off 24.91 BB/100 hands, VPIP 18%, Raised 13%, Agg 58%
+1 19.48 BB/100 hands, VPIP 15%, Raised 10%, Aggr 56%
+2 5.57 BB/100 hands, VPIP 10%, Raised 7%, Aggr 49%
+3 23.18 BB/100 hands, VPIP 10%, Raised 6%, Aggr 55%
+4 29.09 BB/100 hands, VPIP 10%, Raised 6%, Aggr 65%
+5 7.32 BB/100 hands, VPIP 7% Raised 4%, Aggr 65%
Big -23.44, saw 39% of flops, VPIP 12%, raised 5%, aggr 45%
Small -20.48, saw 19% of flops, VPIP 29%, raised 14%, aggr 58%

----

Hands:

Of the hands I play voluntarily more than 25% of the time, these are the ones in the red:

QJo
A5o
87s
A4s
QJs
A8s
44
66
77

I really do love this game. The money is not as important to me as becoming a skilled player.. But for all of the time I spend playing the game I'd like to see better results. Again any help for the newbie-hopefully-not-a-total-fish Roy would be truly appreciated. Thanks.
300 odd tournaments is not a good sample to be worrying about ROI. However 30k hands over 300 odd tournaments suggests to me your not playing turbos since i have 50k hands over 1000 tournaments?

I could be wrong but if you are playing regualr sngs then your ROI should be higher...I've sustained around a 6% ROI playing the turbos over 1000 games but i think it can deviate between +7 or -7 even over that sample.

In conclusion your sample is smallish but there could be leaks. You could do a check on your finish positions on sharkscope which could suggest a leak. I wouldn't mind doing it for you.
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02-12-2010 , 10:32 PM
This is my first 2plus2 post so i thought that getting some feedback on my stats from u guys would be a good place to start.
I am working towards earning a nice second income from online pkr this year on 50NL and 100NL.
Ive been playing online now for nearly 4 years.
It all started when I won $2.50 in a pacific poker freeroll and built it up to 1k where i began withdrawing my winnings. (about 10k to date).
these winnings were mostly from 50nl and 100nl untill 5 months ago i had a huge downswing (along with bad br management) that saw my br plummet to $20!
Having to then reevaluate my game and some leaks, i began grinding out a bankroll once again. 4 months later with some help halfway from beginning to use HEManager (where have u been all my life!), my BR is now at a healthy 1.9k.
the bulk of my play has been 6 tabling 20NL and 30NL. I am looking to move to 50NL at 2k. (i am aware of me cushioning with 40 buyins here but i know how it feels now to lose my whole f&$#g roll!)

I would LOOVE to know if there is any obvious weaknesses in my game so far.
what can be improved or looked at?

i know i play a few more hands than most posts ive seen. Will this experience and style of play help me or hinder me profiting in 50NL/100NL??
Thanks big from oz in advance!
cheers.
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02-13-2010 , 11:29 AM
wrdy1984: No obvious leaks visible rfrom these stats. Your VPIP/PFR ration is rather high, so I'd say you limp/coldcall a bit too much. Also a 28% VPIP is not bad, but still a bit high IMO.
The only other s=thing that surprises me is that you fold to postflop raises less than 50%, which seems low, since in my experience a raise by players at this level always indicates a very strong hand.
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02-14-2010 , 06:03 PM
What can i change in my game? Im a 25/21/11

I know that i dont have any bankroll management, every time im stuck i move up in limits to win it back.

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02-14-2010 , 07:58 PM
anonymstruts: Stop bluffing. Learn poker.
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02-14-2010 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by fabadam
anonymstruts: Stop bluffing. Learn poker.
More? Maybe, i should stop 3-betting so much.. I think i call way too much and are way too aggressive with my draws..

Last edited by anonymstruts; 02-14-2010 at 08:54 PM.
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02-15-2010 , 02:45 AM
anonym: I can't see that from just a graph and 3 numbers. The graph (now gone) shows a red line going up and a huge loss in showdowns, That's often bluffing too much.
So just try to play without bluffing and just betting for value.
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