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09-28-2012 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamjahaa
[x] variance :P
Variance is a crazy thing, for sure. In 5,000 hands you can be losing on the button, and in 2 hands in the space of a minute, you can increase your overall winnings by 33%!
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09-30-2012 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by LTU Westham
Ok, here is the deal. I I do not know whether I was lucky at the beginning or am I on a downswing. So, I started looking through my stats but I do not really know where loss is almost inevitable (like opening in the blinds) and where not.

Now these things are quite new for me so even though I can see that for example, i am largely losing with TPNK no draws, I do not know whether it is standard or not.
Pretty crazy graph, with a sick heater at the start. First point is that you've run a fair bit below EV in called all in situations. Most likely you had big hands cracked in a series of suckouts. You'd be winning about 1.6bb/100 if you'd run according to EV.
Playing 23/14 overall suggests you do a little too much limping or cold-calling pre-flop. This isn't necessarily terrible at the lowest stakes, but ideally you want your VPIP and PFR numbers to be closer together. The gap is especially pronounced in the blinds, and this is a really common leak, mentioned in almost every stats review I've done in this thread.
Try and cut down the amount of times you call in the blinds. Raise your good hands, and fold the marginal ones, like KJo, ATo, J9s, 76s etc. It's really hard to make money by playing "trouble hands" OOP.
It looks like you're playing fairly fit-or-fold post-flop, with AF of 3.0. This is fine. C-betting 65% of flops is just about perfect, but I wonder if you have sizing issues (These stats don't provide those details, so I'm just guessing). If the flop is heads up and it's a dry board that you missed, a little over half pot is all you need. Don't bet too much when you have air.
WTSD is good/low at 24%. I presume you're not calling down with draws too often (another common leak).
You can probably fold more often when you get raised on the flop, unless you have a draw and the raise was a minraise. Villains are no doubt showing up with sets when you stack off with TPTK. Be more inclined to give villains credit when they raise the flop or turn. They aren't bluffing often. They can beat TPTK.
Steal percentage is great and overall positional awareness seems OK.

On to the positional report itself, and it's clear that the big blind is your big problem. While variance certainly has an effect, losing 40bb/100 in the BB is too much. You're VPIP-ing 20% in the big blind, and getting torched. By fixing this leak and only VPIP-ing 15% of hands, your range in that seat will be significantly stronger, and will save you a lot of money. In short, FOLD THE BIG BLIND MORE OFTEN. Look at the top 15% of hands in Pokerstove/Equilab. Anything outside of that range, you should generally be folding in the BB. Forget the "I'm getting a good price" deal. Playing oop without the initiative is -EV.

The report with the pre-flop action (facing "raiser plus caller" etc) is fairly standard. Be inclined to get out of the way with hands like AK-AJ/KQ (yes, even AK) if there is significant action in front of you. Just play pairs and go set-mining. When 2 players have already indicated they have hands, you'll be dominated very often if you call with unpaired cards.

Don't worry about losing money with one pair hands at showdown. Most players lose money with TPTK if there is a call, let alone a raise on the river, but you might want to try altering your betsizes on the final street (i.e. make them smaller) if you have one pair, to enable you to bet-fold occasionally. (Bet, but fold to a raise).

So, overall, despite the less than impressive winrate, you've actually got some good stats. Post-flop is very impressive for a relative newbie, actually. I'll just reiterate the advice about the big blind. Fold pre more often, and the profit will follow. Good luck!
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09-30-2012 , 10:43 AM
15k hands at 2nl 6max - plenty of leaks I'm sure, I am just trying to develop a solid micro game.

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10-01-2012 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by f0cus
15k hands at 2nl 6max - plenty of leaks I'm sure, I am just trying to develop a solid micro game.
Wow, you're crushing! (Even winning in the BB, so I guess you've had some rungood in this sample too). The pre-flop stats are excellent and WTSD and AF are great too, so no worries there. It seems you do much better on normal tables than when you play tighter on zoom, so I'd stick to those, as even though it will take longer to get a decent sample size, I think you'll still build your roll more quickly and be in a position to move up sooner.

I can't foresee any problems, but come back with some post-flop numbers (c-bet, fold to c-bet, turn c-bet, river call efficiency etc) after 20,000 hands if you hit a downswing.
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10-01-2012 , 06:58 PM
Hi 2+2ers.

Could someone please take a look at my stat. These are my first 11k hands at $2nl Zoom after playing 130k hands at standard FR.

Vpip 12
Pfr 10
AF 3.2
3bet 3.9
Fold 3bet 47
Steal 23
Fold BB steal 84
Fold SB steal 89
Cbet 64
T Cbet 56
Fold cbet 79
Fold T cbet 21
WTSB 28
W$sd 52
W$sf 42
SB -25/100 14/10/4.5
BB -50/100 10/5/4.0
E +45/100 9/9/3.8
M +4/100 11/10/3.3
CO +11/100 16/13/3.6
Btn +8/100 17/13/2.1

These stats represent large changes in my game from my last stats feedback and I am much happier (thanks for the input 2+2). Kingspew was generous enough to give me feedback on my 130k hands and steer me in a better direction.

His feed back was ...

Increase cbet from 44%
W$sd 56% too high = value bet river more
Reduce calling preflop from every position
Stop completing SB.


Please let me know if anything new stands out so I can keep improving.
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10-01-2012 , 07:03 PM
The mentioned feed back is at ...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78.../index321.html

with full stats.
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10-01-2012 , 10:47 PM
Advice in bold below. The stats I've not commented on are perfectly fine. I'm pleased to see you've got your c-bet number up to a "perfect" 64%. Nice one.
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Originally Posted by Minifishspecial
Hi 2+2ers.

Could someone please take a look at my stat. These are my first 11k hands at $2nl Zoom after playing 130k hands at standard FR.

Vpip 12
Pfr 10
AF 3.2
3bet 3.9
Fold 3bet 47 This seems a little high. Check to see if you're calling the 3-bets (not something you want to do too often), or 4-betting.
Steal 23 Much too low for Zoom. You should be stealing at least 30% of the time, because zoom nits will have hit the "check-fold" button very often. Open up you range in the cutoff and button, so you have any pair, A9s+, and any two suited cards 8 or higher, like J8s, Q9s, 98s etc. If the steals get called, proceed carefully, as villain has a strong hand.
Fold BB steal 84 See how often you fold the blinds? Other players do too, which is why you should be stealing more often.
Fold SB steal 89
Cbet 64
T Cbet 56
Fold cbet 79
Fold T cbet 21
WTSB 28
W$sd 52
W$sf 42
SB -25/100 14/10/4.5
BB -50/100 10/5/4.0 Your loss rate in the BB is a little high, because you're fast-folding pre-flop a little too often. Try 3-betting vs steals more often. Since villains will be stealing light often, you can 3-bet light with hands like A5s, 44, and 98s. If the HUD works fine for zoom, make sure you have villains' "Attempt to steal %" stat showing, and then have "fold to resteal" in the pop-up. If they ATS 30% or more, and fold to resteals 50% or more, then restealing by 3-betting light can be profitable.
E +45/100 9/9/3.8
M +4/100 11/10/3.3
CO +11/100 16/13/3.6
Btn +8/100 17/13/2.1 Yeah, you need to be looser in this seat especially. Don't auto-fold those hands I mentioned earlier. If someone else has entered the pot, then you can fold 98s and KJ, but if it's folded to you on the button, then make a steal attempt.
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10-02-2012 , 01:18 PM
Thanks Arty, as always very informative.

My fold to 3bet seems to stem from my EP idea of raising any pair. I'm calling the 3bet to set mine. EP with pairs/facing 3bet is profitable for 88bb/100 hands. Should I cut this out?

Steal% was a shock really, thought it was gonna be higher ( This I will improve from the btn first then expand to the Co when I get used to the post flop play.

Defend vs steal from BB - I had intended to defend wider here with -

- vs CO steal 3bet 88+ AQ+
- vs BTN steal 3bet 22+AQ+ Suited broadway

Could this high loss per /100 hands be due to small sample size or do I need to defend the same larger range against both positions?

Once again thanks for the great reply.
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10-02-2012 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Minifishspecial
My fold to 3bet seems to stem from my EP idea of raising any pair. I'm calling the 3bet to set mine. EP with pairs/facing 3bet is profitable for 88bb/100 hands. Should I cut this out?
That could just be running good in a small sample, but if you continue to make money with this tactic, then keep it up. Just don't call the 3-bet if stacks aren't deep, as you won't have good implied odds.
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Defend vs steal from BB - I had intended to defend wider here with -
- vs CO steal 3bet 88+ AQ+
- vs BTN steal 3bet 22+AQ+ Suited broadway

Could this high loss per /100 hands be due to small sample size or do I need to defend the same larger range against both positions?
I'd defend with the same range (or at least all the pairs), and perhaps go even wider if it's SB vs BB, as you'll have position. The loss rate can certainly be partly due to short-term variance. If you wake up with aces in the blinds a few times, you could easily turn the ship around. Good luck!
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10-03-2012 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Pretty crazy graph, with a sick heater at the start<.........>
So, overall, despite the less than impressive winrate, you've actually got some good stats. Post-flop is very impressive for a relative newbie, actually. I'll just reiterate the advice about the big blind. Fold pre more often, and the profit will follow. Good luck!

Hi, Arty. Thanks a million for looking at my stats. But now I am even more torn. I am glad that the stats are ok, but then how do I know what it is that is stopping me from winning? Maybe you know some stat, some report, anything that might be responsible for my losses. (Yes, I am responsible, not the stats but hopefully you understand what I mean). I have HEM.

One thing stands out, that in 20k hands, the difference between All-in Ev is $15 ( I have earned $3, but should have $18) but it can not mean simply that I am unlucky, right? So, can you think of any stat that you think would show up as the Reason?

btw, thatnks for the previous advice. I play the blinds now more strictly, while I now play an overall of 17/15 up to about 20/17 on different tables.
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10-03-2012 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LTU Westham
Hi, Arty. Thanks a million for looking at my stats. But now I am even more torn. I am glad that the stats are ok, but then how do I know what it is that is stopping me from winning? Maybe you know some stat, some report, anything that might be responsible for my losses. (Yes, I am responsible, not the stats but hopefully you understand what I mean). I have HEM.
One thing stands out, that in 20k hands, the difference between All-in Ev is $15 ( I have earned $3, but should have $18) but it can not mean simply that I am unlucky, right? So, can you think of any stat that you think would show up as the Reason?
The amount you lose in the blinds is the main reason for your modest winrate. In 6max, the blinds come round much more often than in full ring games, so if you are quite bad in the blinds, or don't make huge amounts in other seats, you'll struggle to beat the game.
Switching to full ring should help you somewhat. (You can afford to play very tight in the blinds in FR games, because you have 7 whole seats with which to recover any losses).

Luck is a bigger factor than many winning players would like to admit. 10-20,000 hand samples really aren't very large. I've looked up some terrible players on PTR, guys that play 34/2 or 28/3, and they are actually making money over 35,000 hands or more, even though they haven't got a clue about strategy. It kind of sickens me when I see players with terrible stats but a winrate as good as, or better than, my own. But that's poker. Luckboxes exist and we just have to accept it. Some people chase every straight/flush and hit them much more often than expected. It's pure luck, just as getting aces when a villain gets kings is pure luck. (Or pure bad luck, if villain always seems to have aces when you have kings).
The gap between $EV and Actual winnings just tells you whether you won your expected share of the pot when there was a called all in. It says nothing about your playing style and there's nothing you can do about it. Since your EV is higher than actual winnings, villains most likely sucked out more often than expected. You can't change that now it's happened, but maybe you'll be luckier in the next 10,000 hands or so. (Or be like me, and run bad for life!)

So you've been quite unlucky so far, but it could be much worse. It's theoretically possible for a 5bb/100 player to lose money over 100,000 hands, because he just gets shafted by the deck. In a smaller sample of 20,000 hands, results can be even stranger and it can really mess with your head sometimes, because we are programmed to think that if we play well, then we should automatically make money. Poker is mindbending because you can play well for a very long time and still lose!
It's really best not to worry about the $EV, except as a way of maintaining your confidence during a downswing. If you're running below EV, you can say "Well if I just won my fair share of flips, I'd be crushing the game, so I must be doing OK."
It's really hard to do, but try not to think about the actual results in cash terms. Concentrate on making good plays. If you got your money in as a favourite, then that's a win for you, even if villain sucked out.
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10-03-2012 , 11:19 PM
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10-05-2012 , 05:10 PM


Todays graph, I think it went pretty well, ran really bad for a few hands but managed to fight back!
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10-07-2012 , 04:36 AM
Hi guys,
would very much appreciate some feedback on my stats please as am in the midst of a downswing, so every little helps right!

Let me know if there's any other stats I need to post. These are at 25nl, both Zoom and normal tables.



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10-07-2012 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunna100
Hi guys,
would very much appreciate some feedback on my stats please as am in the midst of a downswing, so every little helps right!
Let me know if there's any other stats I need to post. These are at 25nl, both Zoom and normal tables.
I think you're just going through some sick runbad, as your stats look really good to me.
The only one that looks mildly suspicious is "Fold Flop vs Raise" of 38%. Unless you flopped a monster or great draw, you should probably be folding to flop raises more often. Go to Advanced filters and choose "Flop bet call" to bring up all the hands where you faced a flop raise and called it, and "Flop bet raise" for when you 3-bet the flop. Check the hand histories to see how often you were in bad shape. If villains are showing up with hands that beat TPTK and overpairs often, then you've got to start folding them more often.
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10-07-2012 , 03:03 PM
Thanks Arty, really appreciate it. Not always easy to spot issues in your own play, so your help in this thread is golden
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10-07-2012 , 07:50 PM
I am trying to do some extensive leak searching by looking through my hand histories in my database. I have filters for steals, 3 bets, raise steals, facing 3 bets , draws . Is there anything else I need to filter that would be of get help ?
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10-08-2012 , 12:08 AM
HEM 2 has a bunch of good built-in filters to check:

3-bet. (You should be winning quite a lot when you 3-bet. If you're not, you're probably being too aggro, and should sometimes flat with hands like AK/AQ).
Call vs 3-bet. (You shouldn't be doing this often, but see if it's profitable when you do).
Cold-call pre-flop. (Use the Holecards report to find out which hands are profitable when you flat pre. Pairs are probably doing great, but look for problems with suited connectors and weak aces).
Defend Big Blind. (If you're doing fine here, then you might be able to defend even wider. If you're getting killed, you should probably tighten up).
Flat flop. (You should be very profitable here. If you're not, you should be folding or raising more often.)
Flat river. (You might be losing money by calling river bets. Be more inclined to fold one pair hands)
Steal. (Obviously you want to steal blinds where possible, but see what sort of hands villains call with and work out whether c-betting is profitable against these players, or whether you should just give up if you miss the flop).
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10-11-2012 , 01:38 PM
After nearlly 100k hands am still stucked on same winrate , can't say for myself that beside playing i didnt use other ways of learning ,i actually did a lot but my game stayed on same level seems like it.After big downswing (20BI) in 2 days i figured should consalt with someone more experienced and figure out what wrong with my game is and is stopping from improving.
Just to say that room on which i am playing is pretty soft , now that is maybe good but i am having really difficulties when no1 respects your raise but thats something else.

These are my stats and really appreciate it if someone experienced at microstakes can check it . Btw am playing 2NL ( no point to move up with 2BB/100 on lowest stake i guess)

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10-12-2012 , 12:34 AM
10-12-2012 , 01:36 PM
I posted a thread the other day asking about River call efficiency. Leakbuster was showing it as one of my most critical leaks. Arty suggested posting my stats in here. So hopefully you guys can take a look.

I filtered after Aug. 1 so maybe would be a bit more accurate. I've been trying to work on a few things lately, like the RCE, and getting my aggression back up, 3 betting more, etc. But after looking at these numbers, a couple things jumped out at me. the blinds seem to be killing me, turn c-bet/aggression seems pretty low, aggression from the button seems too low. But was really surprised by the blind #'s, had no idea the amount i was losing there.

Would appreciate any feedback. Thanks.

Position:



Leakbuster - Overall 1



Leakbuster - Overall 2




Leakbuster Position report - had never seen this view. i'm an idiot and just realized i could view in advanced mode on the position step. lot of info i was missing out on.


This image was produced from Leak Buster
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10-12-2012 , 06:54 PM
My question was first and therefore more important than you.

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Originally Posted by ruo42
am I just running under EV here? What about the last 5000 hands?
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10-13-2012 , 03:26 AM
^ bait.. now answer this guys question..

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Originally Posted by xandar82
After nearlly 100k hands am still stucked on same winrate , can't say for myself that beside playing i didnt use other ways of learning ,i actually did a lot but my game stayed on same level seems like it.After big downswing (20BI) in 2 days i figured should consalt with someone more experienced and figure out what wrong with my game is and is stopping from improving.
Just to say that room on which i am playing is pretty soft , now that is maybe good but i am having really difficulties when no1 respects your raise but thats something else.

These are my stats and really appreciate it if someone experienced at microstakes can check it . Btw am playing 2NL ( no point to move up with 2BB/100 on lowest stake i guess)

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10-14-2012 , 12:41 AM
Normally, I don't play 6 max games but I recently decided to pick up that game and played 100 NL Zoom 6 max.

Any advice would be helpful to improve my leaks.

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10-16-2012 , 02:11 AM
Okay guys in serious need of help..



Just variance at NL10 or not enough sample? I feel like I'm doing nothing right at NL10 but still my stats seem to show that I'm playing the same game I played at NL5 which worked so well.
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