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10-03-2013 , 11:46 AM
You definitely can't fold the QQ ott imo, think river is a fold since he seems so nitty and I can't see him betting worse than AJ (with this sizing).
10-03-2013 , 12:27 PM
I don't raise post flop enough so I've been looking for spots to open up a bit.
I suppose it's about spotting when your opponents range is weak and your equity is good.
However, pretty much every time I've raised the flop I've got shoved on.
Is this normal?
I understood that, unless you're pure bluffing, if you are raising you should be looking to get it in.

How about this spot here? I figure villain was betting his entire range, may or may not have a pair, he looked like a villain who could fold (wouldn't try it with a calling station).
My hand could look like a sembluff flush draw, but could also be 2 pair or set which doesn't want to see the flush.
He tanked before folding though...

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $1.86 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
CO: $7.52 (VPIP: 37.93, PFR: 34.48, 3Bet Preflop: 23.08, Hands: 29)
Hero (BTN): $5.00
SB: $5.15 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 45)
BB: $4.72 (VPIP: 26.47, PFR: 20.59, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 34)
UTG: $6.31 (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 22)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 9 9

UTG raises to $0.15, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.15, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) 2 J Q
UTG bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.55, fold

Spoiler:
Hero wins $0.74
10-03-2013 , 12:50 PM
Does anyone else here suffer or used to suffer from incredible anxiety so they put off playing? This is my biggest leak tbh i always find an excuse not to play even if i've won like 10 sessions in a row.

I don't tilt, well i don't like rage tilt i may tilt in other ways that i'm not aware of. I rarely ever get annoyed while playing if i lose a big pot when 95% favourite, it is what it is. I move on, give me a game of Fifa and i get scored on in the 90th minute, i'll be pissed. Poker not so much. Not sure why.

But yea going off on a huge tangent, any ideas for how to get round the crippling anxiety and start actually playing?
10-03-2013 , 03:06 PM
Hawk, don't like it on that board. Ur gonna get called or reraised a lot.

Crayon, know what u mean. Sitting at a lower stake helps as a start off, but basically u just gotta play. It's coz u don't wanna have a losing session and feel invalidated
10-03-2013 , 03:13 PM
99 hand is pretty bad. We have next to no backup equity when called so it's a bad choice of hand to do it with. Only thing we get him to fold I imagine is underpairs and AK as his range is so strong on this board.
10-03-2013 , 03:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva La Crayon
Does anyone else here suffer or used to suffer from incredible anxiety so they put off playing? This is my biggest leak tbh i always find an excuse not to play even if i've won like 10 sessions in a row.
That happens for me mostly when i'm winning. I've been a huge whale lately and never had motivation problems
@EatMyBanana
My hud:

I'm thinking of getting rid of the flop & turn & river AF stats. They require a big sample and maybe they aren't the most reliable stats.
Stats:
10-03-2013 , 03:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
Hawk, don't like it on that board. Ur gonna get called or reraised a lot.
I need to figure out where and how to raise post flop.
I do get called a lot and raised often too.
10-03-2013 , 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
Hawk, don't like it on that board. Ur gonna get called or reraised a lot.

Crayon, know what u mean. Sitting at a lower stake helps as a start off, but basically u just gotta play. It's coz u don't wanna have a losing session and feel invalidated
Well my main stake is NL10 but i'm shot taking at NL25, i've been on huge winning session like 30bb/100 over 7-8k hands, but still the crippling anxiety is there, once i start i'm fine but actually seating myself is where the huge anxiety is :/
10-03-2013 , 04:08 PM
Any idea what villain has here?
I should have barelled turn I think.
Maybe he just backed into a flush?
My redline is plummeting - maybe it's just variance but I am folding a lot to aggression at the moment.
Not competent villains either - just fish.
I know they have nothing or everything, because I often see 'sick bluffs'.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $5.89 (VPIP: 17.54, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
UTG: $3.38 (VPIP: 83.33, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: $2.45 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: $5.00 (VPIP: 83.33, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 7)
BTN: $5.00 (VPIP: 13.95, PFR: 9.30, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
Hero (SB): $5.00

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J J

UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, UTG calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.45, 2 players) 5 4 8
Hero bets $0.20, UTG calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.85, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($0.85, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $0.40, UTG raises to $2.98 and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:
UTG wins $1.58


Another fold.
1st hand with this guy, he was opening pretty much every pot and playing like a maniac post flop.
After 40 hands he was still 71/46 with AF of 5.
He's never folding pre, but surely K3s is way ahead of his range here?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $5.26 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BTN: $1.39 (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 57.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (SB): $5.00
BB: $4.90 (VPIP: 47.37, PFR: 39.47, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 41)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K 3

fold, BTN raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.25, fold, BTN calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.55, 2 players) 8 9 7
Hero bets $0.35, BTN raises to $1.14 and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:
BTN wins $1.20
10-03-2013 , 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raikkonen3
You definitely can't fold the QQ ott imo, think river is a fold since he seems so nitty and I can't see him betting worse than AJ (with this sizing).
He bet the river 4/4 times so its pretty likely we going to face a river barrel so call turn fold river can't be good.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
I need to figure out where and how to raise post flop.
I do get called a lot and raised often too.
You want to be raising flops when
-villains range misses the flop
-your range hits the flop
-you have a lot of equity.

With the 99 hand your range didn't particularly hit this flop, villains did and we don't have any back up equity. Pairs have SDV built into them so that along with their bad equity when behind makes them (generally) bad for turning into bluffs. You also beat most of the hands villain is going to fold so there is no need to bluff raise.


K3s hand, we want to play two big cards vs people we don't have fold equity against, especially OOP. So fold pre. It good to be trying to iso fish wide but k3s OOP vs a shortie is a bit far and check fold flop he is never folding anything on that board.
10-03-2013 , 04:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
Any idea what villain has here?
I should have barelled turn I think.
Maybe he just backed into a flush?
My redline is plummeting - maybe it's just variance but I am folding a lot to aggression at the moment.
Not competent villains either - just fish.
I know they have nothing or everything, because I often see 'sick bluffs'.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $5.89 (VPIP: 17.54, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
UTG: $3.38 (VPIP: 83.33, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: $2.45 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: $5.00 (VPIP: 83.33, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 7)
BTN: $5.00 (VPIP: 13.95, PFR: 9.30, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
Hero (SB): $5.00

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J J

UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, UTG calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.45, 2 players) 5 4 8
Hero bets $0.20, UTG calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.85, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($0.85, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $0.40, UTG raises to $2.98 and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:
UTG wins $1.58


Another fold.
1st hand with this guy, he was opening pretty much every pot and playing like a maniac post flop.
After 40 hands he was still 71/46 with AF of 5.
He's never folding pre, but surely K3s is way ahead of his range here?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $5.26 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BTN: $1.39 (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 57.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (SB): $5.00
BB: $4.90 (VPIP: 47.37, PFR: 39.47, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 41)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K 3

fold, BTN raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.25, fold, BTN calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.55, 2 players) 8 9 7
Hero bets $0.35, BTN raises to $1.14 and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:
BTN wins $1.20
Just fold H2 imo, if he's playing that wide and you have position on him no points waiting for a hand that is marginally ahead of his range and are OOP
10-03-2013 , 07:27 PM
I just had a session where I played poorly in a number of spots, but made up for it with some good play in a bunch of small pots and some great luck. Won my first 300BB hand when I got AA AIPF three ways and they held up.

So far I'm off to a great start to the month results-wise, up $100 and I've never broken that barrier at any point in any month yet. Hopefully things can continue along that path, though at the moment my winrate is ~25BB/100 for the month so I anticipate a downswing in my future!
10-03-2013 , 07:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamma001
K3s hand, we want to play two big cards vs people we don't have fold equity against, especially OOP. So fold pre. It good to be trying to iso fish wide but k3s OOP vs a shortie is a bit far and check fold flop he is never folding anything on that board.
Hmm, in a previous bankroll thread, someone (can't remember who) told me I should be isoing fish with Q2o...
I would definitely fold pre, but I am trying to not be such a nit, play cards which are ahead of their range, etc.
10-03-2013 , 07:52 PM
This probably isn't the place to put it but I may as well ask for some advice here.

Do any of you know how I can go about getting a stake? Ideally I'd like about $100 to start 4tabling 1.50 6max turbos on a 50/50 split with originally a 50BI move up policy with that changing as I get a better idea of my win rate, etc. All of which would be agreed with the backer obviously. However I have never really put in any volume playing these before, so have no evidence to back up that I'll be a winning player bar the small sample of pictures I've posted in my blog of me beating 5nl over some tiny sample and a small sample playing hypers.

Any suggestions?
10-03-2013 , 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
Any idea what villain has here?
I should have barelled turn I think.
Maybe he just backed into a flush?
My redline is plummeting - maybe it's just variance but I am folding a lot to aggression at the moment.
Not competent villains either - just fish.
I know they have nothing or everything, because I often see 'sick bluffs'.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $5.89 (VPIP: 17.54, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
UTG: $3.38 (VPIP: 83.33, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: $2.45 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: $5.00 (VPIP: 83.33, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 7)
BTN: $5.00 (VPIP: 13.95, PFR: 9.30, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
Hero (SB): $5.00

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J J

UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, UTG calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.45, 2 players) 5 4 8
Hero bets $0.20, UTG calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.85, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($0.85, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $0.40, UTG raises to $2.98 and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:
UTG wins $1.58


Another fold.
1st hand with this guy, he was opening pretty much every pot and playing like a maniac post flop.
After 40 hands he was still 71/46 with AF of 5.
He's never folding pre, but surely K3s is way ahead of his range here?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $5.26 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BTN: $1.39 (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 57.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (SB): $5.00
BB: $4.90 (VPIP: 47.37, PFR: 39.47, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 41)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K 3

fold, BTN raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.25, fold, BTN calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.55, 2 players) 8 9 7
Hero bets $0.35, BTN raises to $1.14 and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:
BTN wins $1.20

Hand 1 - Should you not be betting the turn as the K improves your perceived range?
10-03-2013 , 08:52 PM
Live Ace, HU

Blinds = 1/2
Villain (SB) calls, Hero (BB) raises to 30, Villain calls

Flop (60) - K23

Hero checks, Villain shoves 72, Hero calls

Turn + River (204) - K234Q

Spoiler:
Hero has AA, Villain has A5


SHIP ITTTTTTTTTTTohf*ck
10-03-2013 , 10:34 PM
I need to put some goals in my life as you, nice post
10-04-2013 , 01:56 AM
MMSS, maybe PM TDA, he's on a steak.

Obv look at the staking forum and read a load of the offers over there, see what the craic is
10-04-2013 , 02:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TensRUs
Live Ace, HU

Blinds = 1/2
Villain (SB) calls, Hero (BB) raises to 30, Villain calls

Flop (60) - K23

Hero checks, Villain shoves 72, Hero calls

Turn + River (204) - K234Q

Spoiler:
Hero has AA, Villain has A5


SHIP ITTTTTTTTTTTohf*ck
Does live always play like this? I've wanted to play live poker for a while now. Might have to give it a try if it's this easy.

BL though.
10-04-2013 , 02:24 AM
Live Ace is an online site lol. But yeah, live poker in general is pretty soft. Waiting to grind up to 200NL online to justify playing 200NL live is just lol
10-04-2013 , 02:28 AM
Yeah I was willing to risk it with the $350 bankroll I have, to be honest. The max buy-in at 200NL in my local city is $80 anyway, so it wouldn't be too bad if I lost a couple of buy ins.
10-04-2013 , 02:45 AM
Holy sh*t, don't do that lol. The rake is probably rape too

I'm guessing your reg game is 10NL? Maybe you can find some 25/50NL home games that are advertised online. Competition might be a little stiffer but at least it's better for your BR
10-04-2013 , 02:49 AM
Yep 10NL is my regular game.
There's pretty much 0 home games that go on around here. Poker isn't exactly a massively popular phenomenon here. The home games that do run are just for fun with chips that hold no value, so yeah.

I don't think I'd put my $350 online bankroll on the line, but wouldn't really mind if I had to. I've got about $6,000 to my name right now so grinding live 200NL is definitely a possibility.
10-04-2013 , 02:59 AM
Let me reiterate - $80 max BI for 200NL is almost guaranteed rape via the rake and makes it hard to beat, regardless of how good you are. Brick and Mortar can probably help you out with the specifics of the casino you're talking about, but I'm guessing it's a similar story to the casinos in LA - soft but unbeatable

Try to find a 100bb game is what I'm getting at lol
10-04-2013 , 03:34 AM
Ah.
According to some regs who've played there before, because of how soft the games are it won't take long before you're 100bb deep. So it shouldn't be an issue, although I do get where you're coming from.

      
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