Todays 10nl shot wasn't exactly good. Down 2BI's. Managed to stop myself before losing more.
I don't think I really played THAT bad. Probably a mix between my B and C game. My redline has plummeted though. Down about 40bb/100 or so for the 10nl shot. I think I might be a bit too scared to just pull the trigger and make some plays.

Shoved for value here. NH Russian fish!





10vpp's to go until Goldstar. Kind of excited for it. Seems like every time I hit a milestone in the VIP sector I have a terrible month though. The first time I hit silverstar? Largest losing month (prior to this one) in a LONG time! haha

Hoping I can see where I can improve my redline. I don't want it going up, but having it flat-line would be great.

1. Dont play deep tables, you've just moved up.

2. Bet bigger on the turn, dont like river shove.

imo buying in full on the deep tables would be a good idea, I used to buy in with 100bbs but then I realized that there are so many terribad players buying in with 250bb would be a better idea to cover their stacks. lolregs on nl10 deep play horribly postflop, and almost never adjust and play ABC most of the times.

imo, stick to those normal tables first, and when you've gotten a good grip hop on over. and as asriva said, you move up when you play deep, it plays a bit like nl16.

edit: I think for AA hand Oly, we can get stacks in, but don't shove river. I wouldn't mind betting a little more otf. and don't post results.

Yeah, shoving mightn't be best here. I should have bet larger on the turn so a shove doesn't look as strong. I think I got a bit excited though, as I'm sure we often do once we're dealt AA.

I'll definitely stick to the normal tables now until I have enough confidence to buy in deep. Thanks guys.

Hey guys, not been getting much volume in recently as been working late then away for a few days (day off today tho woop!) so thought I'd do a bit of a DB review before getting stuck back in. Rolled for 30BIs at 25nl now but may stick to 10nl Zoom for another session or two just to get back into it.

Not sure if when I move up I should go back to regular tables or just stick with Zoom? Any thoughts on that?

Also, if anyone would mind having a look at my 10nl stats if there's anything you see there I need to be working on. Always easier to see leaks in other people's stats than your own I find!

Fun session yesterday which would have been great apart from 1 hand (as usual).

Seems nitty to fold flop.
What's anyone cold calling 3 bet with here? I think he can have Qx, flush and straight draws more than sets (all draws got there by river anyway...).

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $5.00 (VPIP: 23.85, PFR: 15.60, 3Bet Preflop: 10.87, Hands: 112)
SB: $16.61 (VPIP: 20.41, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.27, Hands: 152)
BB: $5.67 (VPIP: 14.47, PFR: 7.89, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 79)
UTG: $3.10 (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
MP: $5.03 (VPIP: 40.54, PFR: 29.73, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
Hero (CO): $5.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K K

fold, MP raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, fold, SB calls $0.43, fold, MP calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.40, 3 players) 2 Q 9
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.00, SB raises to $2.70, fold, Hero raises to $4.55 and is all-in, SB calls $1.85

Turn: ($10.50, 2 players) A

River: ($10.50, 2 players) J



Happy to value bet KK against Qx here but if he has Qx turn is horrible.
In hindsight should have bet river but I was thinking flush draws are never folding and Qs beat me.
After he checks turn I think he no longer has a Q.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $10.93 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: $7.69 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BTN: $6.73 (VPIP: 23.75, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 86)
SB: $2.58 (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (BB): $5.07
UTG: $11.77 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K K

UTG raises to $0.10, fold, CO calls $0.10, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, UTG calls $0.40, CO calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.52, 3 players) 9 Q 3
Hero bets $0.75, UTG calls $0.75, fold

Turn: ($3.02, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($3.02, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00



Got a 2p2 reg on my left (who didn't recognise me at first) but I know he normally plays $7 SnGs and is pretty loose and aggro.
Didn't think he'd flat my 4b, he probably had some garbage tbh he later showed down very loose and bluffy hands.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $5.24 (VPIP: 15.73, PFR: 13.48, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 89)
CO: $5.57 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: $5.05 (VPIP: 9.52, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
Hero (SB): $5.02
BB: $5.00
UTG: $11.85 (VPIP: 21.31, PFR: 14.75, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 64)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.20, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.40, 2 players) 8 7 5
Hero checks, BB bets $1.35, fold

WTSD seems pretty low, W$SD is low as well . I guess you are being too aggressive postflop as indicated by your relatively high W$WSF and AF. Your AF is high but Agg Frequency is low; dunno what to make of that maybe Gamma can help. Cant make out turn cbet success %, seems like 30.3% which is pretty low (I have the same leak).

I personally prefer regular tables, zoom tilts me to no end. Regular tables are softer too and you can develop much better reads on regs as well as fishes.

Thanks Asriva.

Turn cbet success is 36.3%, although not sure what a good/bad number is here.

Be interested if these stats are a by-product of Zoom, ie villains are tighter pre and will fold a lot post flop unless they connect in some way?

Dunna, you cbet flops way too frequently. Don't be scared to x/f some flops, and don't be scared to check back some weaker TP type hands (A5s on AK3r for instance).
I only cbet flops about 50% of the time, and it works out really well. 70% is just way too high. Any competent (lol at the thought of competent people at 10nl) players will realise how frequently you're cbetting and float you a LOT wider.

As a general rule of thumb, I'm less likely to cbet a 882 flop heads up than I am an K82, since the 882 flop is just so difficult to hit, and means that you're likely to have air, making a float +EV. I tend to only cbet those flops versus absolute nits, or people who I know have high broadways in their flatting range that dominate my lower SC's on that flop. Of course I'll cbet it if I've hit it with 98s or something, but you get the drift.

Basically though, there's not much on those sort of flops that called preflop which isn't calling on the flop. I'd be calling a flop cbet with 33 - 77 there, and I'd definitely considering calling a flop bet with Ax.

The reason I'm more likely to cbet a K82 flop is because there's less chances that a hand such as 33 - 77 is going to be able to make a call. The flop is dry, but there's more chances for them to be beat as

1) You flop single pairs more frequently than trips, so you can easily represent a K on K82 while it's difficult to represent an 8 on 882, and...
2) there's more overcards to their pairs that, which again makes them more likely to be beat.

Food for thought.



Stude, I'm playing hand 1 exactly the same way you played it, and quite happily too. If you run into the nuts it's whatever, but there's no reason to think people aren't likely to call with worse.

Similar situation popped up today actually.

Also played a Zoom SnG for the first time which was pretty fun but busted closeish to the money.

Best hand pre becomes 3rd best by river...joy!
(And worst hand pre - by a loooong way - wins!).

Full Tilt - |100/200 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 3,661 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 10)
SB: 1,951 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
BB: 3,300 (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
UTG: 9,912 (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
Hero (UTG+1): 5,788
UTG+2: 22,710 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 33)
MP: 26,010 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP+1: 12,444 (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 15)
CO: 4,908 (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

9 players post ante of 20, SB posts SB 100, BB posts BB 200

Pre Flop: (pot: 480) Hero has K K

UTG raises to 9,892 and is all-in, Hero calls 5,768 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 1,831 and is all-in, fold

Flop: (13,847, 3 players) Q 8 3

Turn: (13,847, 3 players) A

River: (13,847, 3 players) T

It's strange actually, as looking at my last 15,000 odd hands (where I've really been working on my game and doing well) my cbet stats are lower, but I also get less folds on flop and turn, but W$SD is at about 52% but I still WWSF 48%.

Meh, ever changing game I suppose

I've noticed myself evolving from day to day. I made a call on a river against a regular, losing the pot, and it really made me think about the hand in an over-analytic manner about how folding my turned TP, and my rivered trips would make sense since it's very unlikely he's value-betting worse.

Always changing, sometimes for the worse, but always changing.

@Dunna: Cbet% is slightly too high, though I don't think it's as big of a problem as Oly makes it out to be, especially as you're such a nitbox pre. AF being high and AFq being low means you're check-folding too much, perhaps bet-folding some spots where it's better to bet-3bet. That said, your folding numbers are pretty low, so I'd guess you're probably folding to too many raises.

Ok thanks guys, appreciate the feedback. TDA, I was playing wider when I moved to regular tables having position on bad players etc, but I just find it easier to start with a stronger range in Zoom, especially when up against unknowns, and 10nl is still pretty transient iyam.

What should a good AFq be? I've only just started using the stat so not that familiar with it yet

Interestingly (or not!) at 10nl Zoom, population stats I have are:
Fold to flop cbet: 43.5%
Fold to turn cbet: 18.4%
Fold to river cbet: 18.1%

So I guess I should be happy I'm getting 36% to fold OTT, or sad depending how you look at it.

10nl are still weaktight though as they only cbet river 24.6% of the time

While we're on the subject of stats, a quick opinion on my basic stats?
These are the last 10k from PS because before that I played on another site so might not be enough but anyway.

[IMG]http://s7.************/5ksswrjdn/5_NL_stats_1013.png[/IMG]

Inb4 nitbox yes I know I need to loosen up and play more from CO & BTN especially.
I open pretty wide from these positions but if the pots already opened I tighten up (unless it's limped then I iso pretty wide).

VPIP/PFR gap seems fine from all positions except blinds.
Seems a surprise to me I didn't think I called much from the blinds, preferring to fold or 3b.

Calling pretty wide from the BB is fine, I'd start 3betting more AJ-type hands from the SB as well as your bluffs.

I think a lot of my BB calls are to SB opens when I have position and don't want to 3b.

Yeah, precisely. If you look at my 'developing a limping strategy' thread, Q6s actually advocates defending 80%+ vs a 3x SB open of a 40% range.

Gotta know what you're doing postflop too though!

Few hands for thoughts....

Villain is 50/30 3AF after 10 hands

Call or raise flop?




Thoughts on every street please

Villain is a maniac, 28/25 16AF over 58 hands

Would you play this the same?

Villain is a reg, 27/19 w 2AF over 37 hands (no reliable 3bet stats)

Possibly. Definitely folding river. No point raising since it's 10nl (I don't even expect a raise to work at any limit here, unless they have 77 or something), and calling is bad because... well yeah.

Is this spew? Sizing is bad. Could have made it a lot smaller so that he only needs to fold a smaller % of the time. I figured he'd do this with something like 88 - TT for information, and would fold it thinking "Oh he raised so he must have 3bet with a strong hand".


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $7.26 (72.6 bb)
SB: $11.83 (118.3 bb)
Hero (BB): $11.02 (110.2 bb)
UTG: $3.43 (34.3 bb)
MP: $10.10 (101 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A J
2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.20, CO folds, SB calls $0.90

Flop: ($2.70) 3 2 5 (2 players)
SB bets $0.90, Hero raises to $4, SB folds

Your thought process may be correct but u can raise less for the same result, rather than almost pot committing yourself. You could also call pre with a very playable hand like that

Does this look ok?

Villain complete unknown. Can't see he'd barrel 3 streets with less than 2P, but think I can call turn still as he can have some Kx or suited spades he may barrel here

IMO shove > fold river. Both are better than calling though.

I'll look for it.
But I was thinking: if we can 3 bet light on the button to a CO open (because he's opening wide), how come we're merely defending BB to a SB open?