Yes - size seems about right
Yes - at least half pot
No - it's fine
You can't check call river, you are in position. You can call or check behind.

Don't limp pre.

Cooler or is my turn shove stupid?

ah right idk why I thought I was oop on that hand. In other words if river is a heart and he bombs out am I folding?

I limp the 44 hand to set mine, but I feel like my set mining ways may be outdated. How are you guys playing 22-88 these days? Be position specific if possible.

Never folding once this turn hits, doesn't matter really, just play however you think villain's stacking range will be widest.

@smokes, based on that (44) hand I'd say you should move down tbh. I'm probably just folding 22-66 in EP in FR and opening all other pairs.

I've started folding 22-55 in EP because I'm just not making money with them.
But if I was going to play them I would raise.
On a tight table I will still play them.

@ tda I wanna make sure I understand you, so in mid-late position you're opening any pair. UTG you're only opening 77+?

+1. Dont like how you played the entire hand on multiple streets.

Thoughts here ? Read - Villain makes psb on flop when he has air.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $42.32 (VPIP: 91.80, PFR: 57.38, 3Bet Preflop: 23.53, Hands: 64)
UTG: $11.25 (VPIP: 14.63, PFR: 11.38, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 125)
Hero (MP): $10.00
CO: $10.75 (VPIP: 14.58, PFR: 7.29, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 192)
BTN: $20.34 (VPIP: 78.72, PFR: 61.70, 3Bet Preflop: 41.18, Hands: 47)
SB: $10.72 (VPIP: 17.85, PFR: 12.12, 3Bet Preflop: 3.62, Hands: 302)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 9 9

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BTN calls $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95, 3 players) 8 T J
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.70, fold, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.35, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.70

Hero ?

Yes. If you don't see why, ask yourself if you open limp anything else.

@asriva, flat the turn and donk shove whenever you fill up, x/f all other rivers.

No I do get it... What works at one stake is easily exploited at another.

TDA, that hand in full

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $42.32 (VPIP: 91.80, PFR: 57.38, 3Bet Preflop: 23.53, Hands: 64)
UTG: $11.25 (VPIP: 14.63, PFR: 11.38, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 125)
Hero (MP): $10.00
CO: $10.75 (VPIP: 14.58, PFR: 7.29, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 192)
BTN: $20.34 (VPIP: 78.72, PFR: 61.70, 3Bet Preflop: 41.18, Hands: 47)
SB: $10.72 (VPIP: 17.85, PFR: 12.12, 3Bet Preflop: 3.62, Hands: 302)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 9 9

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BTN calls $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95, 3 players) 8 T J
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.70, fold, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.35, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

River: ($5.75, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN bets $17.64 and is all-in, Hero calls $7.30 and is all-in

I don't mind limping pre flop since its 9max.
Flop raise size is way too small. Turn bet is way too small as well. If he's calling a turn bet it doesn't matter if the sizing is $4 and change or $7.80 (which I'd make it). Making it more expensive for him to call means that in the chance he folds the river we still got more value from his turn call, and if he has a marginal call a larger turn bet will have us with about a half PSB left on the river, which he would have good odds to call against.

Limping is only cool if you are Ike playing $5k HUSNGs

I'm trying to build a bank roll of a $1000 so I can have 20 buyins for 1/2 NL live. Currently at about $500+. I've been grinding $2/4 limit for a while. If I can achieve $1000 by the end of October, woohoo.

[ ] Grind a $1000 for a NL bankroll
[ ] Write a poker monte carlo simulator prove that I'll hit my draws/flushes.

Goals for this month
[]Hit Silver Star in a week (00:00 08/09/2013)
Nope, did hit silver though which was good

[]Play 1k 6max hypers and profit
Pretty sure I started on a downswing and just thought **** it I'd rather just play cash than deal with this ****. Must have got through quite a few though.

[x]Clear Deposit Bonus & Next Stellar Reward
Yay, one I actually did.

[]Grind my way to 20BI's for 10NL after hitting Silver Star (preferably 4/6 tabling 5NL)

I kind of did this and i kind of didn't. I won enough over the month to have >$200 but I also ended up withdrawing the vast majority of it and then spunking away my last $20 playing two $8.80 MTTS and a smaller one. Damn variance :P


October Goals
[] Get a Job
[] If fail part the above, get a stake to play 10nl (which to anyone wondering unless you quite literally don't have the money to deposit and play is an awful idea)
[] Post some actually helpful advice in BQ and cut out my crappy answers that don't explain things in enough detail.

The latter one may even include a detailed hand breakdown and one way of looking at a hand in detail. Which will by no means be perfect as my own process is by no means perfect, but should be helpful to a few people who post in here.

People need to be open minded about limping. I even limp in 6max at times, although only at specific times and NEVER when someone hasn't entered the pot in front of me though.
If, say, a fish limps and there's a shortstacker in the blind, which may make it more difficult to iso-raise a hand like 98s (which plays VERY well against a fish), I don't mind limping behind.

With that said though, open folding 22 - 66 in UTG Full Ring isn't bad, but considering it's the micros and people never fold at the micros I don't mind limping and playing it since you're likely to be payed off when you hit.

Limping makes ur hand range VERY obvious, and any self-respecting reg is gonna iso raise you and then just cbet and you'll fold every time u miss. So you end up putting more money in pre than if you'd just raised and still lose the hand the majority of the time.

There's certainly no place for open limping at 25nl imo.

Not saying you can't limp behind if it's for a sound strategic reason, but I doubt many of us are good enough in here to utilise it properly

Sorry for the late response regarding this, just got HEM opened on my PC.

Flop cbet%: 77.4%. As of late it's been a lot lower, but only in the last few thousand hands so it doesn't really impact my sample size (120,000 hands).

Flop aggression%: 46.2
Turn aggression%: 36.0%
River call efficiency: 1.0.

Dunna: I get where you're coming from, and I do agree that any self respecting reg is going to know what you're limping with UTG. Hence why one should balance their range a bit. Limp suited connectors, limp/raise big hands, etc.
Although I do mostly only play 6-max, so the limping strategy I'd employ is from about 2009 and would have worked in those years.

Don't limp UTG simple as that. In FR it's an even worse idea. I don't understand why we wouldn't just want to raise PP's in 6max UTG, the only time this is a problem is if we have multiple people calling like all the time, yet for some reason they play ok post flop which is so unrealistic we don't need to worry about it.

Adding stronger or weaker hands to our limping range in an attempt to balance it isn't a good reason either when playing them in another fashion, either raising or folding is going to be better.

When we are thinking about our ranges we need to be aware of the fact that doing something with some part of our range stops us doing something else with it. It's an argument I've heard a lot. "We can do this (usually a poor idea) and we can balance it with all this stuff" and people don't realise that they are altering their range and playing a huge part of it in a -EV way to make a tiny insignificant part of their range, the bit they are trying to play strangely, slightly more +EV however still usually -EV.

Or to put it more simply, balance ur raising range, don't have a limping range. There's no reason why u can't open small PPs and the better SCs like 9Ts UTG in 6max, especially if you've got villains setmining behind who will just fold if they miss, and u can bluff any A or K high flop.

Don't forget that having initiative in a pot is one of the key factors in winning

Anyone won the 7-2 boom promotion?

Wouldn't those numbers change depending on stakes? I dunno how anyone can look at numbers in a vacuum%

THAT BEING SAID.......

Over the last 40 k hands my WTSD % is a point low( 23.03)
and my W$SD is a couple of points high( 57.61)

Is that a cause for concern and why?

I think they would change even more depending on your preflop style.

Low WTSD and high W$SD would imply you are folding a lot in marginal spots. A thinking villain who notices this could exploit it by bluffing you more as you won't take marginal hands to showdown. And even if nobody starts exploiting this, you are still probaly losing direct value when folding the best hand quite often.

Nope. Villain was a fishy calling station, called all my opens and all my cbets.
River bet my only chance to take it down.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): $5.19
CO: $1.99 (VPIP: 63.64, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
BTN: $5.14 (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
SB: $5.54 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
BB: $2.00
UTG: $4.66 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 31.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 7 2

fold, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) Q 5 3
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.37, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, CO bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

River: ($0.57, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $0.25, CO raises to $0.50, fold



In other news, Stars seems to have doomswitched me.

1. Should have folded to turn bet here I think. He can easily have a K in his 3 bet calling range. Short stacked I would be happy to get all in pre though.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $5.00
BB: $2.13 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG: $5.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
MP: $5.33 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
CO: $8.70 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
BTN: $2.58 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, fold, BTN calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05, 2 players) T K T
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.25, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.48 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.48

River: ($5.21, 2 players) J



2. OK he could have QQ+ here, but he's short stacked as well so don't think it's a bad call.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $15.49 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
MP: $5.39 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 8)
CO: $6.66 (VPIP: 16.13, PFR: 9.68, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 31)
BTN: $2.54 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (SB): $5.12
BB: $5.21 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J J

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.15, BTN raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.48, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.20, 2 players) 8 4 3
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.04 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.04

Turn: ($5.28, 2 players) A

River: ($5.28, 2 players) 5



3. Lucky I didn't get stacked here, lol. Nice and passive.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $5.00
UTG: $13.02 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP: $2.71 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: $3.11 (VPIP: 55.56, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: $7.82 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
SB: $13.27 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 12)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 6 6

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.10, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.22, 2 players) 7 2 6
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.22, 2 players) 5
Hero bets $0.15, CO calls $0.15

River: ($0.52, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $0.25, CO calls $0.25