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09-30-2013 , 07:04 PM
September Thread

September didnt go well really results wise but happy in that I didn't tilt much even when running really bad and I got some decent volume in.

Graff



Goals for September.
[ ] 20k VPPS - high enough target but its still only just over 100 hours play. i'd still be happy with ~17k which would leave me with 30k to get over 3 months for SN. >15K
[ ] Finish off 'There will be homework' DC series and star a new series. WIP
[x] Finish off reading Expert No limit holdem and order some more books from amazon. Ordered 6 new books
[x] At least 10 hours study per weak. done more than 10 hours
[x]Work on my most prominent leaks(blind play and river play). Need some more work

Goals October(back in college so slightly more modest)
[ ] 10k VPPS (will only leave me with 22k to get in 2 months)
[ ] Finish off reading another book.
[ ] At least 3 hours study per weak.
[ ]Work some more on my most prominent leaks(blind play and river play).

Good luck everyone.
09-30-2013 , 07:10 PM
lol at regs(same guy in both hands)

Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2317655
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $50.75 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3.2, Hands: 471618
SB: $50.25 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 4
BB: $48.25 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 3
UTG: $43.26 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 3.3, Hands: 80
MP: $89.75 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 18, AF: 1.3, Hands: 35
CO: $159.37 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 3.5, Hands: 1734

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 7 A
2 folds, CO raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.25, 2 folds, CO raises to $9.50, Hero raises to $50.75, CO calls $41.25

Flop: ($102.25) 5 Q 6 (2 players)

Turn: ($102.25) 5 (2 players)

River: ($102.25) J (2 players)

Final Pot: $102.25
Hero shows 7 A
CO shows J 9
CO wins $99.75
(Rake: $2.50)


Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2317656
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $65.91 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3.2, Hands: 471618
SB: $112.61 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 3.5, Hands: 1734
BB: $52.25 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 15, AF: 2.2, Hands: 463
UTG: $38.98 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 15
MP: $37.07 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 4
CO: $29.17 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 17, 3B: 100, AF: 0.0, Hands: 6

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with A A
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB raises to $4.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $8.75, SB calls $4.50

Flop: ($18.00) 4 6 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7.50, SB raises to $27.50, Hero raises to $57.16, SB calls $29.66

Turn: ($132.32) 3 (2 players)

River: ($132.32) 8 (2 players)

Final Pot: $132.32
Hero shows A A
SB shows 9 8
Hero wins $129.82
(Rake: $2.50)
09-30-2013 , 07:49 PM
Gamma, is 50nl 6MX usually that agro preflop?

[X ] Get the roll to 24 table 25nl
[X ] Be profitable at 25nl
[ ] Play 200 k hands
[ ] Get Platinum Star


Early goals for October
[ ] Be rolled to play 50nl
[ ] be profitbale at 25nl and 50nl
[ ] play at least 4 hours a day
[ ] Play 150 k hands
[ ] Get Platinum star
09-30-2013 , 07:52 PM
October Goals
[X] Read Crushing the Mircrostakes
[X] Take notes from it
[ ] Read over notes
[ ] Turn a profit (starting at 2nl with $60)

Looked over my notes and some hands in the 9max section of the forum and im pleased to see that what I think is matching the advice giving. This is a good sign for me. Before my thinking would have been well off.
10-01-2013 , 01:56 AM
Sept was so busy for me at work and home I got very little volume despite going back to Zoom tables. Was about breakeven before last weekend then made about 5BIs, so plus the reload bonus works out ok.

Will post graph later maybe but it's not spectacular.

Goals for Oct:
Get in more volume
Make another $100 and move to 25nl
Still be at 25nl by the end of the month
Start rewatching old DC vids

Good luck everyone
10-01-2013 , 02:07 AM
September wasn't a good month for me at all.
Things I learnt...

- I call far too often in the wrong spots.
- Folding to 3bets preflop is better than calling.
- 5bet jam bluff double range merging isn't a good idea at the micros.
- It doesn't matter what you represent, it just matters what you have at 16NL or below.

So anyway, thought I'd fire up the ZOOM tables to get my day going. Not doing that again. I don't know how you guys can play ZOOM to be honest. I can't play it since I have a game that requires a lot of reads. ZOOM essentially means that I'm playing blind a lot, and stats do only say so much.

Anyway, are you guys folding this river?

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $6.38 (63.8 bb)
    SB: $20.17 (201.7 bb)
    Hero (BB): $20.17 (201.7 bb)
    UTG: $4.85 (48.5 bb)
    MP: $12.80 (128 bb)
    CO: $7.05 (70.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 4
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.20, BTN folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.60) Q J 4 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, CO calls $0.40, SB calls $0.40

    Turn: ($1.80) 8 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.40, CO folds, SB calls $1.40

    River: ($4.60) 3 (2 players)
    SB bets $3




    Had a few pretty tilting spots this session gone. Set over set for a 300bb pot, People making river calls you would never expect them to make, me making a fold in a spot I'd usually call, only to see that I would have made quads on the river. #swag

    I hope October gets off to a better start to this! Minus 2BI's so far.
    10-01-2013 , 03:39 AM
    In for the strat. Not going to play much until November and after though.
    10-01-2013 , 06:36 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ugthemc
    Gamma, is 50nl 6MX usually that agro preflop?
    Nah not usually but he was folding very little to 3bets and 4betting a ton so A7s is a pretty good hand to bluff with. Obviously he should never be stacking off with J9s, he must have been tilting hard or something.
    10-01-2013 , 06:49 AM
    @ asriva
    Quote:
    What are the ideal WTSD and W$SD stats ?
    according to the search and destroy series on DC your WTSD should range between 24 and 28 and your W$SD should be between 50 and 55. But if both are high/low in this range you still can have something to work on.
    10-01-2013 , 07:14 AM
    starting again after a looong gap. current BR=$150

    1. Read crushing microstakes and poker blue print
    2. play atleast 1 hr a day @NL5 with 4-6 tables
    3. move to NL10 by Nov mid with BR=$250
    10-01-2013 , 08:02 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gamma001
    according to the search and destroy series on DC your WTSD should range between 24 and 28 and your W$SD should be between 50 and 55. But if both are high/low in this range you still can have something to work on.
    Hm, my WTSD is 31.4%, and my W$SD is 47%. :/ Guess I need to fold more and pick my spots.
    Any tips on improving the blue line? I'm actually a loser with it.
    10-01-2013 , 09:08 AM
    As played, what do you guys do differently? Hand is completely readless.



      $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $9.91 (99.1 bb)
      SB: $13.22 (132.2 bb)
      BB: $5 (50 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $19.17 (191.7 bb)
      MP: $11.76 (117.6 bb)
      CO: $16.17 (161.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with J K
      Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

      Flop: ($0.75) 6 J 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.40, BTN raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.40

      Turn: ($2.35) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero calls $1

      River: ($4.35) 6 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $2, Hero calls $2

      10-01-2013 , 09:09 AM
      Missed all my September goals due to tight work schedule. This month ain't gonna be that much better, so for now my only October goal will be:

      [ ] Hopefully play a few hands at some point.

      (Edit: forgot that I did make one of my goals, stayed smokefree yet another month! )
      10-01-2013 , 09:40 AM
      Did meet September goals but ran horrible at NL16 at the end which wiped out all profit of month in 2-3 days. Oh well, C'est la vie.

      Graph


      Graph in BB


      October Goals -

      [ ] 25k hands
      [ ] Crush NL16
      10-01-2013 , 09:48 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by OlyBrah
      Hm, my WTSD is 31.4%, and my W$SD is 47%. :/ Guess I need to fold more and pick my spots.
      Any tips on improving the blue line? I'm actually a loser with it.
      Stop bluffing stations.
      10-01-2013 , 11:40 AM
      Olybrah, I'd call river in both hands u posted
      10-01-2013 , 11:43 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by OlyBrah
      Hm, my WTSD is 31.4%, and my W$SD is 47%. :/ Guess I need to fold more and pick my spots.
      Any tips on improving the blue line? I'm actually a loser with it.
      According to PT4's Leaktracker, WTSD should be between 21.1 & 32.8% (6 max).
      W$SD should be 52.2 to 66.5%.

      Anyway, have let my study slide recently in favour of some table time.
      Plan to read Ryan Fee's book again, as well as finish Easy Game, and read TDA's pooh bah all the way through.
      And, move over to stars and play maybe 10k hands for the month.
      10-01-2013 , 12:09 PM
      Gamma, my WTSD is like 27 and W$SD is about 54 so seems ok. I think the one leak I've found is folding too much to cbets which is around 52.


      H1 -
      PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $8.89 (VPIP: 18.10, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 4.65, Hands: 237)
      Hero (SB): $15.44
      BB: $19.22 (VPIP: 30.67, PFR: 24.32, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 75)

      Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K 6

      fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) 6 6 4
      Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40

      Turn: ($1.40, 2 players) 6
      Hero bets $1.00, BB calls $1.00

      River: ($3.40, 2 players) T

      Hero ? Jam or bet to what size ?

      H2 - Villain ever bluffs with this 5b size ? I have seen him call a 3 bet with KK in position earlier.

      PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      CO: $10.16 (VPIP: 20.63, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 64)
      BTN: $17.61 (VPIP: 25.53, PFR: 21.28, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
      Hero (SB): $10.00
      BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 15.45, PFR: 12.20, 3Bet Preflop: 3.92, Hands: 125)

      Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q Q

      fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BB raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $2.30, BB raises to $4.20; Hero ?
      10-01-2013 , 12:35 PM
      @asriva:

      H1, bet a standard size, he's probably calling wider than he's betting but there's not much he can call an OB with that doesn't raise anyway.
      H2, I'm tempted to flat the 3bet with your read. Obviously after 4betting we can't fold ever; although that size is a little scarier than normal some do it with hands they're not sure about.
      10-01-2013 , 02:54 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by OlyBrah
      Hm, my WTSD is 31.4%, and my W$SD is 47%. :/ Guess I need to fold more and pick my spots.
      Any tips on improving the blue line? I'm actually a loser with it.
      Yeah that's a pretty big leak.

      I'd bet my left arm that your flop and turn aggression is probably too high. If your cbetting/raising to much then your range for getting to the river and seeing a showdown is going to be weak resulting in you not winning often.

      I'd also guess that your river call efficiency is going to be really low because i'd imagine going to be calling and getting to showdown with too weak of a range(bluff catching too often).

      Post the stats I mentioned and il see if its correct and il hopefully be able to point you in the right direction,

      WRT to the hands
      44: this situations always comes up for me. My thought process goes "I have an really strong hand and if I fold here I am nearly folding everything but a flush.. so I can't fold". Then i call and they turn over a flush 95% of the time because they are fish taking the typical line a fish takes when they hit a flush lol. So now I just fold and laugh at how bad they are.

      KJ: i'm playing the same as you did. I can seem him doing this with worse Jx and sometimes just air. If he made it larger i'd probably think about folding at some point depending on his aggression and any reads I have.
      10-01-2013 , 03:54 PM
      I'll join in

      Goals for October
      [ ] 15k Hands posting a winning
      [ ] Must not bring entire bankroll to a table after tilting
      [ ] Finish off reading "Building a Bankroll" and starting "Crushing the microstakes"
      [ ] Work on my most prominent leaks (limping too much and playing too much OOP)
      [ ] Bluff less
      10-01-2013 , 04:01 PM
      Maybe try not limping at all?
      10-01-2013 , 04:33 PM
      +1
      10-01-2013 , 06:31 PM
      Wow, rough session - red line took a dive.
      It started so well.

      1. What was this reg type doing here? He should see my range as strong - maybe he thinks the flop misses my range? I'm just not sure

      PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      MP: $5.86 (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 17)
      CO: $3.34 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
      BTN: $4.60 (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
      SB: $12.50 (VPIP: 15.15, PFR: 12.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
      BB: $5.00 (VPIP: 20.41, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 49)
      Hero (UTG): $5.19

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K A

      Hero raises to $0.15, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.32, 2 players) 9 J 4
      BB bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, BB calls $0.30

      Turn: ($1.22, 2 players) Q
      BB bets $0.80, Hero raises to $2.00, BB raises to $4.40 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.40

      River: ($10.02, 2 players) 8

      Spoiler:
      BB shows Q A (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 24%, Flop 9%, Turn 0%)
      Hero shows K A (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 76%, Flop 91%, Turn 100%)
      Hero wins $9.60


      2. Meant to shove river here. What a ****ty card to river Well, turn and river are both bad.

      PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BB): $5.23
      UTG: $5.00 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 6)
      MP: $16.92 (VPIP: 39.39, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
      CO: $5.00 (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 104)
      BTN: $1.78 (VPIP: 45.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 63)
      SB: $4.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

      SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 9 K

      fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.30, 2 players) 2 9 7
      SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

      Turn: ($0.70, 2 players) 6
      SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

      River: ($1.70, 2 players) 2
      SB bets $1.20, Hero raises to $2.70, SB raises to $3.15 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.45

      Spoiler:
      SB shows 6 6 (Full House, Sixes full of Twos) (Pre 52%, Flop 11%, Turn 82%)
      Hero shows 9 K (Flush, King High) (Pre 48%, Flop 89%, Turn 18%)
      SB wins $7.67


      3. Sucks, I think it's pretty obvious what he has here, and he didn't make his hand on the flop.

      PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (MP): $5.00
      CO: $5.00 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 10)
      BTN: $16.85 (VPIP: 35.14, PFR: 24.32, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)
      SB: $5.00 (VPIP: 16.98, PFR: 16.04, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 108)
      BB: $2.05 (VPIP: 45.71, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 73)
      UTG: $7.67 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K K

      fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, BTN calls $0.15, SB calls $0.13, fold

      Flop: ($0.50, 3 players) J T 5
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, fold

      Turn: ($1.20, 2 players) 5
      Hero bets $0.55, BTN calls $0.55

      River: ($2.30, 2 players) J
      Hero bets $0.95, BTN raises to $2.15, fold

      Spoiler:
      BTN wins $4.03


      4. Fold pre, but I thought he'd been 3 betting too much but he'd only done it once. Nice flop and turn for me. Strange line he took - I guess he made his hand earlier and didn't want to risk me checking back?

      PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BB: $5.00
      UTG: $7.35 (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 19.61, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 55)
      MP: $12.83 (VPIP: 51.02, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 49)
      Hero (CO): $5.00
      BTN: $6.33 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 9)
      SB: $5.00 (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 17)

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 9 T

      fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, SB raises to $0.45, fold, Hero calls $0.30

      Flop: ($0.95, 2 players) T 5 Q
      SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

      Turn: ($1.95, 2 players) J
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.95, SB calls $0.95

      River: ($3.85, 2 players) 6
      SB bets $3.10 and is all-in, fold

      Spoiler:
      SB wins $3.69


      5. Not involved with this hand, but found it hard to play against villains like this. Obviously call down lighter, but call 3 bets with middle pair on a flush and paired board? Find it hard to do that even against a raging fish.

      PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      SB: $4.88 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
      BB: $7.13 (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 18.97, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 62)
      UTG: $13.38 (VPIP: 53.57, PFR: 30.36, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 56)
      Hero (MP): $5.03
      CO: $5.96 (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 31.25, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 16)
      BTN: $6.72 (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 24)

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 6 9

      UTG raises to $0.15, fold, CO calls $0.15, fold, SB calls $0.13, fold

      Flop: ($0.50, 3 players) 6 J 3
      SB checks, UTG bets $0.25, CO calls $0.25, fold

      Turn: ($1.00, 2 players) K
      UTG checks, CO bets $0.45, UTG calls $0.45

      River: ($1.90, 2 players) 3
      UTG checks, CO bets $1.25, UTG calls $1.25

      Spoiler:
      CO shows 7 5 (One Pair, Threes) (Pre 41%, Flop 19%, Turn 7%)
      UTG shows A J (Two Pair, Jacks and Threes) (Pre 59%, Flop 81%, Turn 93%)
      UTG wins $4.22
      10-01-2013 , 07:10 PM
        WPN, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19747561

        UTG+2: $11.53 (46.1 bb)
        MP1: $26.20 (104.8 bb)
        MP2: $11.55 (46.2 bb)
        MP3: $30.68 (122.7 bb)
        CO: $21.22 (84.9 bb)
        BTN: $22.20 (88.8 bb)
        SB: $25 (100 bb)
        BB: $28.74 (115 bb)
        Hero (UTG+1): $26.78 (107.1 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 4 4
        Hero calls $0.25, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB raises to $1.25, BB folds, Hero calls $1, MP3 folds

        Flop: ($3) 4 2 T (2 players)
        SB bets $1.75, Hero raises to $3.50, SB calls $1.75

        Turn: ($10) J (2 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $4.62, SB calls $4.62

        River: ($19.24) 2 (2 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $12.02, SB folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: $19.24 pot ($1.21 rake)
        Final Board: 4 2 T J 2
        SB mucked and lost (-$9.37 net)
        Hero mucked 4 4 and won $18.03 ($8.66 net)



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        Is flop raise okay(probably bigger right?)? Is turn bet too small? Is river bet too big? if river is a heart that doesn't pair the board are we check/calling or what?

              
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