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11-01-2013 , 04:00 PM
Since nobody else has started the new thread and its nearly the 2nd already I might as well.

October Thread

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[x] run good.

red line needs a bit of work.

October goals
[ ] 10k VPPS - only got 7.5k but didn't anticipate having so much work for uni.
[x] Finish off reading another book.
[ ] At least 3 hours study per weak. - not much study at all.
[ ]Work some more on my most prominent leaks(blind play and river play). didn't get to work much on leaks.

November goals
[ ] 10k VPP - have to get in volume for SN
[ ] read TMGP2 and start another book.

simple goals

Good luck everyone.
11-01-2013 , 04:07 PM
Cash:


Tournies:


BR@$1140.14

November Goals

[ ] Play no rush
[ ] 20k Standard 25NL Hands
[ ] Gold Star
[ ] Start a book
[ ] Start reviewing my sessions more and try and post 1-5 hands in here or MSNL that aren't declared spew.
11-01-2013 , 04:22 PM
[] - Get into weekly grinding schedule where I actually put in some volume from Monday
[] - At least 1k VPP
[] - Post at least one hand a day in uNL
[] - At least 25 hours Study (Posting not inc)
11-01-2013 , 04:27 PM
Already posted my graph in the October thread, up for the month.
Anyway, goals:

[ ] Plan to read Ryan Fee's book again - didn't get round to it
[x] as well as finish Easy Game - completed!
[ ] and read TDA's pooh bah all the way through - didn't get round to it
[x] move over to stars
[x] play maybe 10k hands for the month - not quite, about 9k, will do though

Same goals then, plus:
[ ] Read A.Ertbjerg's "Exploiting the Fish" Pooh Bah.
11-01-2013 , 04:38 PM
Gamma, is that 50 NL?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
Same goals then, plus:
[ ] Read A.Ertbjerg's "Exploiting the Fish" Pooh Bah.
11-01-2013 , 04:41 PM
Yep it is indeed
11-01-2013 , 04:42 PM
Seems like you regularly post 30-40 BI months, have you thought about moving up to 100 NL?
11-01-2013 , 04:47 PM
PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $50.25 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $10.00 (VPIP: 18.00, PFR: 18.00, 3Bet Preflop: 15.79, Hands: 50)
BB: $18.40 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q T

CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, BB calls $0.50, fold

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) A K 5
BB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $2.00, BB calls $1.25

Turn: ($5.85, 2 players) 2
BB bets $4.00, Hero calls $4.00

River: ($13.85, 2 players) 8
BB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
BB shows J 7 (High Card, Ace) (Pre 33%, Flop 10%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows Q T (High Card, Ace) (Pre 67%, Flop 90%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins $13.23


Is shoving turn here ever right?

But i hope the month continues this way...
11-01-2013 , 04:52 PM
Goals for the month:

[ ] Crush souls
[ ] Maintain GoldStar
[ ] Download and read Applications of No Limit
[ ] Consider range construction on flops as PFR more
11-01-2013 , 04:54 PM
I'm not shoving there, I wouldn't expect to have much fold equity and good things can happen when I flat and hit.
11-01-2013 , 04:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
I'm not shoving there, I wouldn't expect to have much fold equity and good things can happen when I flat and hit.
Yea i didn't think i had much FE it's why i flatted also having position just figured it's the cheapest way to see out the hand and he'd more than likely bet the river too.

Also just skimmed your Pooh Bah and related it to the way i play alot, i table select a **** ton at every stake i play so will be going back through that and taking some notes off of it, thanks!
11-01-2013 , 05:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by A.Ertbjerg
Seems like you regularly post 30-40 BI months, have you thought about moving up to 100 NL?
Yeah I have had a few this year alright but i'm still only beating 50nl for 2bb/100 this year so still have a lot to work on, I wouldn't be comfortable at 100nl given my 50nl WR. Going to look into moving up in the new year when I have more free time, have some more hands and more study under my belt. Have to concentrate on getting SN this in the next two months. 25k VPPs to go.

edit: I'm going to lol every time I open this page bc of that seal meme haha
11-01-2013 , 05:14 PM
Donks out cuz it's Friday.
Not enough hands to go with it, UTG played every hand till busto

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $4.68 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BB: $5.45 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 7)
UTG: $1.32 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP: $3.00 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
CO: $4.97
Hero (BTN): $5.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 8 8

UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB raises to $0.60, UTG raises to $1.05, fold, fold, BB calls $0.45

Flop: ($2.40, 2 players) 6 2 K
BB checks, UTG bets $0.27 and is all-in, BB calls $0.27

Turn: ($2.94, 2 players) 9

River: ($2.94, 2 players) 4

Spoiler:
BB shows 8 J (High Card, King) (Pre 37%, Flop 11%, Turn 5%)
UTG shows T Q (High Card, King) (Pre 63%, Flop 89%, Turn 95%)
UTG wins $2.82


Having said that, should have folded turn here - Baluga?
When he raised turn, no draws - put him on Qx or QJ, or maybe a set.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $6.21 (VPIP: 20.63, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 64)
Hero (MP): $5.00
CO: $5.00 (VPIP: 31.03, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BTN: $4.16 (VPIP: 29.03, PFR: 25.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
SB: $3.07 (VPIP: 53.13, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 32)
BB: $2.00 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A A

fold, Hero raises to $0.15, fold, BTN calls $0.15, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) Q 3 J
Hero bets $0.25, BTN calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.87, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $0.60, BTN raises to $1.45, Hero calls $0.85

River: ($3.77, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.31 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.31

Spoiler:
BTN shows Q J (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks) (Pre 16%, Flop 73%, Turn 82%)
Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 84%, Flop 27%, Turn 18%)
BTN wins $8.04
11-01-2013 , 05:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva La Crayon
Is shoving turn here ever right?
I don't like raising the flop tbh, we just narrow down his range when we have plenty of equity in the first place. Maybe call flop raise turn, but I don't really dislike calling two streets.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
[ ] Maintain GoldStar
How much volume do you put in? Is maintaining gold pretty easy at 25nl?
11-01-2013 , 05:29 PM
I'm in

Will poast graph and goals tomorrow but Oct went OK for me so hoping for more of the same
11-01-2013 , 05:57 PM
Hero (BTN): $14.28 (142.8 bb)
SB: $19.71 (197.1 bb)
BB: $30 (300 bb)
UTG: $12.29 (122.9 bb)
MP: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $5.31 (53.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.80, SB raises to $1.90, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.50, SB calls $2.60

Flop: ($9.40) 9 8 3 (2 players)
SB bets $15.21 and is all-in, Hero ?

Villain is an unknown 10nl zoom player, what do we think villains range is? Serious question.
11-01-2013 , 06:21 PM
Fold. He's going to have something like JJ - QQ here that wanted to wait to make sure no A or K hit the flop.

It's a pretty terrible play, but it's how a lot of people play at 10nl. People will put you on hands like AK before even thinking you might have AA or KK in your range.

So yeah, his range is JJ - QQ, in my opinion.
11-01-2013 , 06:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MMSS
How much volume do you put in? Is maintaining gold pretty easy at 25nl?
I get 10vvps/100 so you need ~25k hands to get gold star.

@stude h2: yes baluga.

@ MMSS

Id say AA/KK sometimes, AQss AJss, the odd QQ/JJ/TT.
11-01-2013 , 06:24 PM
[ ] Finish EHUNL
[ ] 5k hands of 5NLHU
[ ] 2.5 hands of 5NL Rush
[ ] Start weekend live sessions at $1/$3
[ ] Work on shutting down post flop when BB finally defends against my 100% sb raises (HU)
[ ] See dgiharris bink a tourney/ship huge pot at the Commerce
11-01-2013 , 06:28 PM
villain 60/93/86 agression by street with 0/0 fold to flop/turn cbet.

AK is kind of the top of my range since I check no Jx to him(maybe I should check some weak KJ to him if I decide to cb??) so i don't really like folding. Thoughts??

Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2343011
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $173.67 - VPIP: 71, PFR: 49, 3B: 35, AF: 2.4, Hands: 45
SB: $29.57 - VPIP: 60, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 5
BB: $56.33 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 3.0, Hands: 1743
UTG: $39.74 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 134
MP: $88.03 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 1.4, Hands: 608
Hero (CO): $57.10 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 3.2, Hands: 513672

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with A K
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 2 A J (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.75) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $9.00, Hero calls $9

River: ($26.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $51.00, Hero ?
11-01-2013 , 06:32 PM
How frequently have you seen him overbet? I'm probably not folding, but if I've only seen him overbet for value then it's close.
11-01-2013 , 06:36 PM
I can't fold vs someone like him.

Checking a bunch of hands and letting him barrel off is decent I guess, but considering he isn't folding either I would just bet my value hands including AK.
11-01-2013 , 06:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamma001
Id say AA/KK sometimes, AQss AJss, the odd QQ/JJ/TT.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OlyBrah

So yeah, his range is JJ - QQ, in my opinion.
Just makes no sense to me, overbet shoving QQ, JJ, TT is really bad. Same with KK. Not to mention AA & KK are probably GII pre a lot of the time.

I think me calling in that spot is ok, my range is like AK, QQ+. That's 34 combos.

9.78/(9.78+ 9.40) = 51%

I'm snapping KK+ (12 combos), folding QQ (6) and I think not blocking A is good because a lot of his bluffs will contain this if he's thinking but having K is still blocking any possible FDs there's 3 combos of AK and I'm calling AK.



Quote:
Originally Posted by gamma001
I get 10vvps/100 so you need ~25k hands to get gold star.
Cheers, sounds easy enough if you're playing zoom.
11-01-2013 , 06:37 PM
In! Got PT4 today so finally able to track my progress.
Goals for november
Show positive ROI in MTTs []
Don't martingale HUSNG in tilt []
Buy mental game of poker and read it []
Post hands here []
11-01-2013 , 06:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MMSS
Just makes no sense to me, overbet shoving QQ, JJ, TT is really bad. Same with KK. Not to mention AA & KK are probably GII pre a lot of the time.

I think me calling in that spot is ok, my range is like AK, QQ+. That's 34 combos.

9.78/(9.78+ 9.40) = 51%

I'm snapping KK+ (12 combos), folding QQ (6) and I think not blocking A is good because a lot of his bluffs will contain this if he's thinking but having K is so there's 3 combos of AK and I'm calling AK.
This is good thinking to have, but a bit over the top for 10nl I think.
The play makes absolutely no sense, but players at 10nl often make absolutely no sense. From what I have witnessed, when somebody calls a 5bet preflop at these limits, they have a hand such as JJ - QQ that doesn't want to see a flop with a K or an A, then they just shove because "overpair", without thinking about somebody else's range and what could call that's worse. It's a really bad play, but people are still pretty bad here.

People are likely to call 4bets with AQs as well. I'm unsure if he'd call a 5bet with AQs, and with no history it's hard to say, but if he's calling with that and shoving with a flush draw I'd probably call.

KK+ is definitely a snap. I'd even debate that QQ is a snap call as well since as I've said, this play looks like JJ - QQ (since AA - KK is getting it in pre, as you said).


Did you end up calling?

Re Goldstar: It's pretty easy at 10nl. I got it within the first 12 days of October or something, playing a mix of 10nl ZOOM and 12 tabling some PLO at times.

      
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