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10-03-2012 , 04:17 PM


I've been crushing sit n go's lately. But in last three days or so it just doesn't work! I don't feel like I'm playing any differently at all. After playing last ~30 games I'm a little down from my highest point so far and it doesn't matter what I do I can't seem to be moving forward!

I want to ask people that grind SnG's for living, does this happen normally? If it does, does it happen often? Or did my play somehow changed to losing poker (I've been playing cookie-cutter strategy all along, be nit at early stages, push/fold at late stages).

Last edited by arenex; 10-03-2012 at 04:27 PM.
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10-03-2012 , 04:28 PM
Looks like you have been on a heater for your first 160 games. What sort of games do you play?

Winning players often have 20-30 buy in downswings on a very regular basis, and 1k+ games of break even.

tl;dr - thats nothign compared to what you will encounter
10-03-2012 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by arenex
After playing last ~30 games I'm a little down from my highest point so far
Come back after lunch and play another set of 30 and you'll probably be fine...

Quote:
Originally Posted by arenex
I want to ask people that grind SnG's for living, does this happen normally?
Yes.

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Originally Posted by arenex
If it does, does it happen often?
Yes.

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Originally Posted by arenex
Or did my play somehow changed to losing poker
Maybe but probably not. No way to know. Post hands.

Your entire career of 200 games is a pretty tiny sample size, let alone 30 games.
10-03-2012 , 04:37 PM
I'm playing so far 0.3 euro buyin 6-max SnGs. Holdem manager on average labels ~3 players out of 5 as blue fish/green fish/loose passive.

This hand happened today, after that I smacked my fist to the wall and it started bleeding:

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Prima)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, October 03, 10:38:42 ET 2012
Table 6 SeatTable 1 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( 1500 ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 10, 3B: 8, AF: 0.0, Hands: 49
Seat 2: Player2 ( 1500 ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 2
Seat 3: Hero ( 1490 ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 6.0, Hands: 10604
Seat 4: Player4 ( 1460 ) - VPIP: 50, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 2
Seat 5: Player5 ( 1590 ) - VPIP: 84, PFR: 50, 3B: 29, AF: 2.6, Hands: 32
Seat 6: Player6 ( 1460 ) - VPIP: 100, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 2
Player4 posts small blind [10].
Player5 posts big blind [20].

Dealt to Hero [ A A ]
Player6 calls [20]
Player1 calls [20]
Player2 folds
Hero raises [100]
Player4 folds
Player5 calls [80]
Player6 calls [80]
Player1 calls [80]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2, Q, T ]
Player5 bets [1490]
Player6 folds
Player1 folds
Hero calls [1390]

Hero shows [A, A ]
Player5 shows [5, T ]

** Dealing Turn ** [ 2 ]
** Dealing River ** [ T ] ... REALLY? Busted first like that?
Player5 wins 3190 from main pot
Player5 wins 100 from main pot
10-03-2012 , 04:43 PM
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 87.099% 86.91% 00.19% 1488108 3293.50 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 12.901% 12.71% 00.19% 217609 3293.50 { Th5d }


happens 13% of the time. You need to not care about the bad beats and concentrate on getting better, what do you want us to say to that? LOL stupid fish getting it in with 105o.

Instead pick later game spots where you are deciding whether to shove or fold. Look at spots where you are calling etc, dont waste time looking at the bad beats.

Also playing 31/17 isnt solid poker. Look at your own starting ranges more.
10-03-2012 , 05:05 PM
This is nothing to cry about. You will get it a lot worse than this in future, trust me.
10-03-2012 , 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arenex
I want to ask people that grind SnG's for living, does this happen normally? If it does, does it happen often? Or did my play somehow changed to losing poke
The way you phrase this question, it sounds like you are grinding a living playing yourself and so will only take advice from other people who grind for a living. Is this where you are at? You feel that you are grinding for a living?

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Originally Posted by arenex
I'm playing so far 0.3 euro buyin 6-max SnGs. Holdem manager on average labels ~3 players out of 5 as blue fish/green fish/loose passive.

This hand happened today, after that I smacked my fist to the wall and it started bleeding:
*** WARNING WILL ROBINSON, WARNING! ***
10-03-2012 , 05:58 PM
Standard variance, I should think.
Graph looks a little like mine. Be grateful that you're flat-lining at the moment. My current 3-day downswing has taken away more than 25% of my winnings.
10-03-2012 , 06:10 PM
When we get these threads I always think I should dig out some of my PLO graphs, to demonstrate what variance really looks like
10-03-2012 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat
When we get these threads I always think I should dig out some of my PLO graphs, to demonstrate what variance really looks like
Was hear that plo can be brutal
10-03-2012 , 06:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arenex


I've been crushing sit n go's lately. But in last three days or so it just doesn't work! I don't feel like I'm playing any differently at all. After playing last ~30 games I'm a little down from my highest point so far and it doesn't matter what I do I can't seem to be moving forward!

I want to ask people that grind SnG's for living, does this happen normally? If it does, does it happen often? Or did my play somehow changed to losing poker (I've been playing cookie-cutter strategy all along, be nit at early stages, push/fold at late stages).
Hmm... it really small downswing. But from emotional side you maybe are expecting win more then it should happen from variance view. You may review tourneys and will see that just few cards chance winner from looser and that there is decent chance that will happen even if you think that it big unlucky period for you, plus you probably don't focus on that what happens "like normal" when you win.

When winning it seem like most natural thing into world

Just concentrate on decisions not results.
10-03-2012 , 10:11 PM
Go on Sharkscope and look at the downswings and breakeven stretches the top top players hit. That does not register as anything remotely near one.
10-03-2012 , 11:05 PM
Op, you think you run bad but I think you run good. Do you see why?

If you are playing the same then you've probably got nothing to worry about BUT your violent reaction after that aa hand is not healthy. If you can't handle losing a little after winning alot then you aren't a grinder. Basically hurting yourself because of poker might mean you have issues.


Note: same sort for thing happen at game 25 on that graph.
10-04-2012 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chad0x00
The way you phrase this question, it sounds like you are grinding a living playing yourself and so will only take advice from other people who grind for a living. Is this where you are at? You feel that you are grinding for a living?
... I'm not trying to offend anyone nor I'm saying that I'm now grinding for a living. Don't put words in my mouth.

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Originally Posted by OziBattler
Op, you think you run bad but I think you run good. Do you see why?

If you are playing the same then you've probably got nothing to worry about BUT your violent reaction after that aa hand is not healthy. If you can't handle losing a little after winning alot then you aren't a grinder. Basically hurting yourself because of poker might mean you have issues.


Note: same sort for thing happen at game 25 on that graph.
It's not that much because of AA hand alone. I've had worse suckouts than that. I was losing entire day. Like game, after game, after game I busted in bubble a lot of times.

Imagine, I'm left heads up with fish that played ~80% of hands. He had 6k stack. He would call me to showdown with any pair. And that hand I'm bettin for value with two pair (can't remember what I held that hand specifically, so I can't put history here) and then on the river board pairs. And I was pot commited like ****. OF COURSE HE HAD TRIPS! So yeah, a SnG was won by a guy that played 80% hands...

Oh man, so much bull**** happened that day I probably couldn't shut up about it. That AA hand was breaking point, I almost never do that.
10-04-2012 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by arenex
It's not that much because of AA hand alone. I've had worse suckouts than that. I was losing entire day. Like game, after game, after game I busted in bubble a lot of times.

Imagine, I'm left heads up with fish that played ~80% of hands. He had 6k stack. He would call me to showdown with any pair. And that hand I'm bettin for value with two pair (can't remember what I held that hand specifically, so I can't put history here) and then on the river board pairs. And I was pot commited like ****. OF COURSE HE HAD TRIPS! So yeah, a SnG was won by a guy that played 80% hands...

Oh man, so much bull**** happened that day I probably couldn't shut up about it. That AA hand was breaking point, I almost never do that.
So what? Wait until it's week, after week, after week of losing. If you can't control your anger after one day (that is not even a really bad day), then you're not cut out for this game and should quit now.
10-04-2012 , 03:19 AM


You have been warned.
10-04-2012 , 03:29 AM
Your progression is pretty good imo. Nothing to worry about here. Continue like that, don't be too upset if you enter a downswing period, it happens to all of us.
10-04-2012 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DiamondDog


You have been warned.
Why this video is 2 minutes of graphs and all other time just blank dark without sound O.o
10-04-2012 , 03:45 AM
When you have a DS that will wipe 80% of your roll in 3 days, you will know what variance is. Honestly this is nothing ... just focus on your decision making and you will be fine.
10-04-2012 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by kamitis
Why this video is 2 minutes of graphs and all other time just blank dark without sound O.o
If you turn the volume way up high, and listen very very carefully, you can hear a bunch of guys committing suicide.
10-04-2012 , 04:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arenex
... I'm not trying to offend anyone nor I'm saying that I'm now grinding for a living. Don't put words in my mouth.



It's not that much because of AA hand alone. I've had worse suckouts than that. I was losing entire day. Like game, after game, after game I busted in bubble a lot of times.

Imagine, I'm left heads up with fish that played ~80% of hands. He had 6k stack. He would call me to showdown with any pair. And that hand I'm bettin for value with two pair (can't remember what I held that hand specifically, so I can't put history here) and then on the river board pairs. And I was pot commited like ****. OF COURSE HE HAD TRIPS! So yeah, a SnG was won by a guy that played 80% hands...

Oh man, so much bull**** happened that day I probably couldn't shut up about it. That AA hand was breaking point, I almost never do that.
But heres the thing. You are up a tonne and you posted a graph that has a tiny 'not winning' period at the end. If this is your entire poker experience then you've never had a downswing. Period.

As you get more experience you'll have days when you wish you were having that sort of 30 game stretch.

Also learn to quit better. Get to know yourself and quit before you get to a stage when you want to punch something.
10-04-2012 , 04:45 AM
Arenex, if you and I decide to play 6 games of 'connect 4' for money and you win the first five but lose the last one, will u get mad?

What will your response be if I challenge you to a rematch?

Do you see what I did there?

Last edited by OziBattler; 10-04-2012 at 04:52 AM.
10-04-2012 , 05:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DiamondDog
If you turn the volume way up high, and listen very very carefully, you can hear a bunch of guys committing suicide.
I see At 2:30 is best moment
10-04-2012 , 06:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arenex
... I'm not trying to offend anyone nor I'm saying that I'm now grinding for a living. Don't put words in my mouth.

I wasnt trying to put words in your mouth, I was asking a question. I like how you got angry about it though.

It's not that much because of AA hand alone. I've had worse suckouts than that. I was losing entire day. Like game, after game, after game I busted in bubble a lot of times.

Yeah, **** happens. Learn to deal with it, or stop playing.

Imagine, I'm left heads up with fish that played ~80% of hands. He had 6k stack. He would call me to showdown with any pair. And that hand I'm bettin for value with two pair (can't remember what I held that hand specifically, so I can't put history here) and then on the river board pairs. And I was pot commited like ****. OF COURSE HE HAD TRIPS! So yeah, a SnG was won by a guy that played 80% hands...

in 30c buyin tourneys, people play badly. This is not news.

Oh man, so much bull**** happened that day I probably couldn't shut up about it.

We wish you would though.

That AA hand was breaking point, I almost never do that.
Almost never? Work on this, make it never never and you will be a bit further along the way to being a 30c grinder. Mashing up the tools of your trade (hands, laptop) is not smart.

Good luck!
10-04-2012 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by z4reio
So what? Wait until it's week, after week, after week of losing. If you can't control your anger after one day (that is not even a really bad day), then you're not cut out for this game and should quit now.
Lol?

Quote:
Originally Posted by OziBattler
Arenex, if you and I decide to play 6 games of 'connect 4' for money and you win the first five but lose the last one, will u get mad?

What will your response be if I challenge you to a rematch?

Do you see what I did there?
First of all, I don't know what connect four is. Second, I probably wouldn't give a **** about the last one. If you ask for rematch... I don't know, maybe if I was good at that game, lol.

Thanks guys, you convinced me that it's not a big deal. That video with huge fails in thousands of games made me feel kinda good haha. I'll get back to the tables and kick some a$$ again.

Last edited by arenex; 10-04-2012 at 07:35 AM.
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