lol guy wins a flip and berates you /facepalm, so how hard is it for you switching up your playing styles form NL10 to NL400 since your apparently playing both while y ou do this

name is jackwilcox on stars.

mmm i did a little playing of both am keeping them seperate now tho. playing stars mainly like GMT daytime and full tilt GMT evening

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $7.75
BB: $10.35
UTG: $22.65
MP: $17.10
CO: $10.15
BTN: $15.95

Pre Flop: ($0.15)
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 4 A 5 (2 players)
SB checks, MP bets $1.10, SB calls $1.10

Turn: ($2.90) T (2 players)
SB checks, MP bets $2.80, SB calls $2.80

River: ($8.50) Q (2 players)
SB bets $3.55 all in, MP calls $3.55



Nice call, Jack. Any reads behind here?

He had a set...? What reads are needed?

only thing that beats me is a flush.

the hand was played quite like a flush draw in that it was check and insta-called down... but i mean its under a half pot sized bet on the river so i have to be ahead like 1 time in 3 to break even. i expect to see enough random Ax/ 2 pair etc to make it right 33% of the time.

lol well in fairness, villain is repping a flush which beats a set ldo.

c/c, c/c, shove when flush hits. For most beginners, as this is a beginner forum, I was just fishing for an explanation for the forum, and as this is Jack's thread where he's going through the limits and explaining some hands, I thought it'd be an interesting hand for most who may not know what to do in this situation..

mmm like i said its basically a pot odds problem. i have to be right 33% of the time. since i dont know villain and he could be doing it with air, i assume i am. if villain had a pot sized bet left this would be pretty close.

most villains i think tend to check their flush looking to check raise though. or bet smaller hoping i would call. insta-call 2 streets then think for a while and shove = "well i guess i can rep a flush now"

using overbets to maximise vs opponents range...

ok, i saw someone earlier post something about how i might use different bet sizing to maximise. i think this is a pretty cool example. villain is a reg playing a few tables with general tag stats.

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Hero (UTG): $16.90
CO: $8.75
BTN: $10.00
SB: $13.25
BB: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with J 9
Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 3 5 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

again, i dont cbet this flop. i cant really represent anything, and it also hits villains button flatting range quite well. pocket pairs look good, A high hands look good, and a lot of small/ medium connectors have pairs/ gutshots. basically i get floated on this flop a lot if i cbet.

Turn: ($0.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BTN calls $0.60

hit a sweet turn card and decide to extract some value from hands that villain checked back flop with. i think he checks back most of his range since he probably has some showdown value and he cant get value out of much by betting the flop. a lot of his range now has at least a decent draw, or is a pair+ a draw so i dont expect him to fold this turn much

River: ($1.95) J (2 players)
Hero bets $3.20, BTN calls $3.20

obv river the effective nuts, i expect to have the best hand here like 100% of the time and need to go to value town. i think a lot of villains here are either pair + missed draws, occasional 2 pair hands, and maybe overcards that has paired the jack (JT/ QJ type hands). my line looks really weird to him as i dont rep a whole lot so i expect to be called down quite lightly. therefore i go for an overbet... i think if villain has a decent pair like a JT hand/ 2pair he is calling an overbet just as frequently as a pot sized bet since theres not much i can really have based on how the hand has played

^^^ villain had 3 dollar left on 8 dollar pot I think he shoves a flush here almost always? I mean why would he check raise when the pot is already so big that you cant fold? I cant see the spoiler but if he did have a set then he is terribad.

^ jackwilcox,


How are you doing in the plo game btw? I cant win a ****ing 60/40 and my top sets dont fill when i repot flop. The idiots keep calling 2 streets and hitting river. Good thing I have rakeback!


how do you feel about NEVER bluffing at the nano plo?

Great thread, GL

About your HUD, how is yours set up? Which stats do you deem the most important while you are in a hand?

Thanks

i dont give a fishy villain credit for thinking on this sort of level.

there is a lot to do with timing tells. in this hand he check insta-called down then paused for ages on the river thinking what to do.... i dont give him credit for this because the tells contradict. why wud he not stop to think about what to do with his flush draw earlier in the hand, but then suddenly stop to think about what to do now he has hit? it doesnt make sense

i have it set up to show vpip/ pfr/ agg/ 3bet pre/ fold to 3bet/ cbet%

its good to know how much people are 3betting i think. most good players have similar vpip/ pfr raise stats, but 3bet% and fold to 3bet% can vary greatlly. some people 3bet 10% others only 4%. this makes a massive difference in terms of how lightly they are 3betting, and therefore how lightly i can 4bet them.

cbet% is obv self explanatory. you only flop a pair or better like 35% of the time. someone who has 85% cbet or whatever is just not getting anywhere near most flops

damn you punk

Excellent thread! Keep it coming.

this hand happened earlier which was rather fun. i showed a hand previously of where you can overbet to gain more value from villains range when you are in a situation whereby the size of the bet does not influence whether he is calling - he either thinks his pair is good or he doesnt.

in this hand i go for an underbet. or a suck bet as some people call it. its designed when i think villain has a very marginal hand, one that he wouldnt want to call a big bet with, but one that he cant resist calling a small one with.

here is the example:

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Hero (BTN): $11.75
SB: $8.95
BB: $6.60
UTG: $8.90
MP: $12.55
CO: $12.75

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 9 7
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.90) 4 9 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, SB raises to $1.60, Hero calls $0.80

this was an instant check min raise. it can mean a wide range of things. he could have a 9. of course if he has a 9 he is very likely beating me at this point. he could have a flush draw in which case i am beating him. or he could have complete air in which case i am still beating him. overall i am ahead more often that not so i peel one off to see what he does on the turn.

Turn: ($4.10) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

he checks which is quite surprising since i would expect him to obv bet his flushes and also his air hands since the spade is a scare card. i dont really know him well enough to know whether he would check after making the flush for deception, but either way, i dont want to be check raised again so i check.

River: ($4.10) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB calls $0.60

when he checks again, well i know he doesnt have a flush now. and i would have expected his air hands to bluff. so it looks like he has 9x. due to the scary nature of the board i doubt he calls a decent sized bet so i opt for a suck bet. if he spazzes out and raises or shoves or something ridiculous i am of course calling 100%



he actually showed AQ. i have no idea why he called he is never going to be good. but when i make a tiny bet of 60c he just cant resist seeing what i have. i just added 3ptbb that i otherwise wouldnt have. if i could do something like this once every 300 hands i suddenly add 1ptbb/100 to my winrate, which is well worth taking. if u win at 5ptbb/100 u would be increasing your winrate by 20%...

WTF - Martin, how did your deuces lose -- did u fold?

yea he did. his hand is greyed out and the chat box says jack one blah blah money. not jack one with a pair or whatever. Obviously dont know the action here but its a $4 pot at 10nl, hard to think your 22 is good here.

Hey peanut r u a 10NL'er?

yeah I fired flop/turn and c/f on 4str. river when jack overbet

I like your thinking in most of these hands, but it's unclear in some hands what kind of opponent you are facing. For example, when you talk about repping hands and your opponent repping hands, I assume you are playing with one of the better players. Otherwise it wouldn't make much sense.

Though from my experience I would doubt that most regs at NL10 know how to represent a range.

But thank you for taking the time to post. Those couple of hands where you were shoving FD+gutshot versus regs and like were interesting, and something I should add to my game. I definitely learned something.

very interesting read jack

ahhh thinking about it, yea, i maybe have a been a little mis leading with the sort of opponents i was facing sometimes. i will try to be more clear in future whether its a reg i am facing, or whether its a random fish.

fwiw, a lot of the hands are against regs purely because they are more interesting. a lot of the sort of 'check min raise' type stuff is against fish because they seem to do that a lot

one thing I've found is that often the Min raise = garbage, and they'll normally fold on the next round of betting...