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12-28-2009 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SchererBoy
OP, only had a second to come back an check out your thread so I haven's had time to read, but what stakes are you at? How much are you up/down at this point? And last, how many hands have you put in since you began your quest??

Thanks a lot, and Best of Luck!
assuming u mean these question in relation to the topic of the thread then its epic fail as i had to withdraw my roll from stars to fund uni lifestyle (had no means of withdrawing on full tilt at the time).

in general tho, poker is going pretty well.
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12-29-2009 , 04:40 AM
Wow, I'm actually disappointed, I was looking forward to see how you were going to conquer this feat. Nice to see someone put life before poker though, as it's always more important than how your running.

Maybe you should close the thread until you have a chance to really complete this?

Also there's a nice thread with a guy who just began playing online poker and has a prop bet to turn $30 into $40k in one year. He's a professional live player and is starting from 2NL and moving his way up, pretty cool though.

GL in the future!
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12-29-2009 , 08:34 AM
yeah i know, i was hoping that i could have put together a graph/ stats of every limit nl10 - nl200 by now, that would have been pretty cool. if i hadnt had to withdraw then id see no reason why i wouldnt have been at 100nl at least by now depending how many hands i put in.

sounds like a good idea by the live player guy, guess it would just be a better version of this thread lol.

i havent closed thread because people are still welcome to bump it with strategy questions or whatever. if u look at the post dates over the last few pages then u see that it doesnt get bumped all that often.
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12-29-2009 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SchererBoy
Wow, I'm actually disappointed, I was looking forward to see how you were going to conquer this feat. Nice to see someone put life before poker though, as it's always more important than how your running.

Maybe you should close the thread until you have a chance to really complete this?

Also there's a nice thread with a guy who just began playing online poker and has a prop bet to turn $30 into $40k in one year. He's a professional live player and is starting from 2NL and moving his way up, pretty cool though.

GL in the future!
Please provide a link.
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12-29-2009 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SchererBoy
Thanks.
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12-31-2009 , 02:59 AM
Hey Jack thx for all the wonderful advice and vids you've produced. Big ups to all the contributors itt as well. As a newbie it has really helped.

I think you may have already mentioned it but will you be summarising all your info in one single post, sorta like a pooh ba post or Well? That would be really useful.
And Happy New Years to all the 2+2ers out there.
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12-31-2009 , 11:44 AM
jack, tons of great advice. could someone repost the link to his videos?

I've searched for them in this thread numerous times and found the discussions about them - - - but not the links!! DOH!!
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12-31-2009 , 02:19 PM
What advice could you give for improving your (my) red line? I'm winning at 50NL and my show down winnings are in a ratio of 2:1 compared to my non show down. So for every 10 I win at show down I lose 5 in non show down (approx).

I'm reasonably happy as I'm still winning, but if I could flatten that red line out my winnings would increase nicely.

I've played 22/17/3.3 over the last 40K hands.
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01-01-2010 , 03:54 PM
Hi, i just stepped to NL10 6 max.

I`m wining player for 10 bb/100 over 30k sample.
I was basically playing VP$23/PFR18 AF 2,8 /3bet 5,8 , flop cbet 60% poker.

Now i at NL10 i start to get situations, when all table is playing with the same stats as i do.

I figured out that something like VP$ 35/PFR 35 works best in such sitiations.

Question: is this the theoretically best way how to beat TAGs ?
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01-02-2010 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Astroxss
Hi, i just stepped to NL10 6 max.

I`m wining player for 10 bb/100 over 30k sample.
I was basically playing VP$23/PFR18 AF 2,8 /3bet 5,8 , flop cbet 60% poker.

Now i at NL10 i start to get situations, when all table is playing with the same stats as i do.

I figured out that something like VP$ 35/PFR 35 works best in such sitiations.

Question: is this the theoretically best way how to beat TAGs ?
the easy way to improve winrate is find table with more lag/lp players, if you want to butt heads w/ the tags you will want to look for the weaker tags (which is most/all of them or they would be playing higher)and exploit them.

For instance if you open raze 35/50 from CO/button, and they do same look for players that fold to 3 bet often, you should be familiar with the hands in that range and most of then cant take much pressue and a weakish tag will fold to reraze, identify those that call most 3 bets and hit them when you have a big hand. You can also flop raze/chk raze serial Cbetters(nobody hits flops 70/80/90 percent of the time over long run), or float them and take the pot as soon as they show weakness, and they will. Typicall weakish tag has line line 22/12 preflop stats and street aggr 4/1/1 a serial Cbetter that shuts down when called or 1/1/3 street aggr w/ fewer Cbets so can steal when he doesnt Cbet he typically missed flop, but beware late bets as he made some kind of hand, these guys dont bet unless they are sure they are best

Basically tags at this level play in predictable patterns, just tighter and more aggressive than the "LP" fish. But once you get a feel for their pattern you can abuse them just like the LPers.
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01-02-2010 , 03:40 PM
raze? seriously?
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01-02-2010 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveW
Hey Jack thx for all the wonderful advice and vids you've produced. Big ups to all the contributors itt as well. As a newbie it has really helped.

I think you may have already mentioned it but will you be summarising all your info in one single post, sorta like a pooh ba post or Well? That would be really useful.
And Happy New Years to all the 2+2ers out there.
yeah i may do actually, if i have a day free then i will spend a couple hours scouring this thread and copy/ pasting good bits into a new one. i was gonna make a couple more videos before i broke my laptop, had some really good nl50 footage.

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Originally Posted by jenkins_steve
What advice could you give for improving your (my) red line? I'm winning at 50NL and my show down winnings are in a ratio of 2:1 compared to my non show down. So for every 10 I win at show down I lose 5 in non show down (approx).

I'm reasonably happy as I'm still winning, but if I could flatten that red line out my winnings would increase nicely.

I've played 22/17/3.3 over the last 40K hands.
stop cold-calling so much in position. if u do like to cold-call opens then u need to play more aggressively post flop by bluff raising some flops or floating and trying to take it away on the turn.

my advice would be to 3bet more instead of cold-call, especially vs late position opens.

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Originally Posted by Astroxss
Hi, i just stepped to NL10 6 max.

I`m wining player for 10 bb/100 over 30k sample.
I was basically playing VP$23/PFR18 AF 2,8 /3bet 5,8 , flop cbet 60% poker.

Now i at NL10 i start to get situations, when all table is playing with the same stats as i do.

I figured out that something like VP$ 35/PFR 35 works best in such sitiations.

Question: is this the theoretically best way how to beat TAGs ?
try to think about when your playing and people do certain things that really piss you off, or things that u find hard to play against. then start doing that more.

classic things to add into your game would be stuff like 3betting more, check-raising flops more, floating a lot of drawy flops etc.

a lot of people cbet too often and then just check the turn whenever they have less than top pair. to adjust they just start monkey barreling, or calling down super light. a lot of people also adjust to being 3bet really badly by making big 4bet bluffs, or by flatting a lot of trashy hands to 3bets. really, they should just tighten up.
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01-02-2010 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by quirkasaurus
jack, tons of great advice. could someone repost the link to his videos?

I've searched for them in this thread numerous times and found the discussions about them - - - but not the links!! DOH!!
i dont have the links stored on my computer, and my guess is as good as yours as to where they have become entangled in this thread lol!
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01-02-2010 , 06:17 PM
Gathered them 10 pages back. One huge thread.

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01-03-2010 , 04:58 AM
hey, I made a pdf with most of Jack big strategy posts and some of his answers to questions; about 34 pages long. I could upload it if it's ok with Jack, if someone else is interested in it?
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01-03-2010 , 08:17 AM
upload it with mega uploader or something!

if ur wanting jacks permission, pm him, hes normally very quick at replying to them!
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01-03-2010 , 10:16 AM
do it
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01-03-2010 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by shinigami
awesome, cheers
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01-03-2010 , 12:04 PM
"The file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable."

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01-03-2010 , 12:05 PM
update minute later:

ok it works now
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01-03-2010 , 07:00 PM
This is a great thread. Thank you, jackwilcox.
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01-07-2010 , 11:06 AM
Jack, i watched your video-they are awesome !!!
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01-08-2010 , 05:56 PM
Ya, I just watched the first one yesterday too. Nice accent too lol. I'm from America an that has to be the deepest accent I've heard. Great video btw, I like how you explain why your doing certain things. Like in the first video when you had the AK an split the pot, you were saying how most of the time villian shows up with QQ or JJ an you extract as much as possible from him w/o making him fold.
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