Value bets are usually smallish because you think your opponent might not call something larger, so "thin" just reffers to the strength of your hand. You usually make value bets when you are very sure you have the best hand--e.g. the nuts.

If you make a value bet with a smallish hand that you think is best, you are making a "thin value bet."

Any paticular threads you could recommend about learning FR NL, as a 6max player? I've been a 6max player only for a while now and really getting quite solid at it, but whenever I check the higher end games I notice how fishier the FR games often look.

Thank You.

lately my arm has been falling asleep from laying on the desk while working the mouse. anybody ever have this happen? should i get a different style of mouse? thanks.

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Never had this happen. I can't see how it can depend on the mouse. I do use random soft things (two gloves on top of each other, needle pad) for a wrist pillow so that my whatever wouldnt' swell up, but I can't see what could make your whole arm numb. It has to be the position of the shoulder if anything.

Obviously it's opponent dependent, but versus a typical opponent I wouldn't fold here. Generally if he has a huge hand like a set or KK+, he will check to trap you if you have a hand like AK. QQ is possible, but there's no reason it has to be QQ rather than TT or 99. Those are the hands I would expect to see most often, probably weighted more towards TT and 99 a bit because QQ might reraise preflop and might checkraise, whereas I think TT and 99 take this line always.

A bit more precisely, it's a thin value bet if you think that your opponent's calling range contains nearly as many hands better than yours as it does worse hands. If you beat 51% of the hands that your opponent calls your bet with, that's a very thin value bet. If you think you're beating most of your opponent's calling range though (maybe because you think he would have bet into you with better hands) then it's not a thin value bet no matter how objectively weak your hand is.

Whats up Doug,

My question actually is more of a pyschological thing. I followed your prop bet very closely, and I know that you obviously considered yourself +EV and believed you could do it, etc. How have you dealt with not making it?

BC my situation is that I grinded 350 to ~1750 playing 25NL and 50NL on FTP, and since then I lost almost all of it, had my account closed and lost ~1000 in RB, deposited 750 on UB and have since lost 250 of it. While at first I thought I was just running terrible, this was over probably about 35k hands, which while not an enormous sample size (especially to a grinder like you) is something. I feel like I am completely awful, was never good at poker, and couldn't win a big blind if my life depended on it. Was wondering if you felt anything similar psychologically after those huge BE stretches at 25NL, and if you had any advice.

Thanks

Ill answer all of the questions later today or tomorow just for the heads up.

Also mods you can resticky this ill be around.

(By the way sorry for the delay, totally forgot about you guys =p.)

1) Hm, no they have gotten a bit tighter. But then again remember my career is only about a year old so there has not been much change.

2) I still believe this to be correct, and I actually experimented with a lot of stuff and i still like raising. I do think there may be an exception though in full ring. From some analysis over my 350k hands at nl 25 in my life or w/e there seems to be some fairly conclusive data that suited aces play significantly better in limped pots. But that was it, everything else was better raised. Perhaps has something to do with how much suited junk everyone plays and sometimes you over flush. But id never limp it in six max.

Well the problem with 3 betting a lof of those hands is your essentially are turning your hand into a bluff where as if you call you allow better players to have dominated holdings. But at the micros people will still call your 3 bets with random garbage you dominate so its a bit better.

If you 3 bet KQ and get 4 bet you basically have to fold and KQ does well vs their opening range.

My blog is in my profile, Im not really coachig atm.

Question: Do you flat call AQ and AJ is full ring? What do you do in 6-max? vs averagely tight player raise

It means you are barely ahead of his likely hand, but you think a hand very remotely worse will call a bet, and you get thin value.

Little vague and make take you a bit to get ther but i think you could make it at .5/1, but barely. By NL 200 you have to be able to mix it up a bit IMO.

Depends on if the games are weak tight or loose passive. Very different animals. Weak tight lag works great but at lp tables gl playing less then premium holdings.

I read a TON of books when i was first starting up, but not so much now. How much did they help? I think negligable next to QUALITY forum time of learning.

12k hands is nothing. Totally meaningless. Your stats are good just play your best.

As for that hand, i think a fold certainly is reasonable if your opponent is tight enough, but i dont think calling the flop and re evaluating the turn can be that bad either.

DONT DO IT.

No but seriously play nitty as hell. Dont know what else to say haha.

Uhm, sure? lol

Swings just get ******ed, the game can be so ****ing ****ty sometimes. Just gotta remember your a champion and fight through it. Really not much else you can do.

what do you do against random overbet shove with medium/strong hands??

Doug,

Teach me how to play PLO/Stud. K tnx.

Hey,
I have played cash poker now about 1 month. I got startcapital 50$ and started playing NL 0.02/0.05. I play on 9-11 tables. My gamestyle is tight-agressive. My problem is that i win very nice pots but i also lose them. And because of all those limpers and players who just have luck. I increased my BR few days ago to 100$, but now i´m back on 50$. This is quite sick. Do you have any suggestion what should i do? Should i play tight-passive?! or what?

And how should i play pocketpairs? For example if i have pocket 88 should i raise them or call BB. And when somebody raises 4xBB before me should i call with my pocket 44 or fold?

way too vague lol