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05-14-2008 , 07:52 AM
....Random question but why in a lot of the threads i read can I not see the imageshack images? It comes up with a box saying "this page/domain banned b/c porn, warez , topsite etc etc visit imageshack etc" where the image/graph etc should be. Why is this?
05-14-2008 , 11:38 AM
Because imageshack is lame and nobody should use it. (I.E. they aren't intended for high traffic sites since they disable images if more than 3 people look at them.)
05-15-2008 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by WCGRider
Regardless generally speaking it is ok advice and I want to help you! So go ahead and ask me anything cash game related. Hands, Strategy, BR, you name it, i am here to help.

Hi

Can anyone help me out plz.

Are there any links or sites that tell you how to interpret pokertracker Omaha stats on your pokerace hud stats?

For example.... we all know that when you see in your pokerace hud a holdem player with a VPIP of 20 usually means solid or tight.
Now can the same be said for an Omaha player using pokerace hud? (maybe 20 VPIP in Omaha means supertight or loose) I have no idea or benchmark to compare it with.

Any articles or help links please.

thanks
05-15-2008 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by phydaux
You are correct, however, since as the saying goes "You either win a small pot or lose a big one."

In my Pooh Bah Post I related this fact: The majority of a NL player's winnings will come from just two pockets - AA & KK.

I had heard this and was surprised by it, so I started a thread and had players check their PT databases. The vast majority of long term winning players reported as much as 50% of their total long term win had come from just AA & KK. But when you break the winnings down by hand, it was a long series of small pots that made up the total, not big monster pot after big monster pot.

So yes, AA has reverse implied odds. But Sweet Fancy Moses you gotta love that pot equity.
We thank you for help, but seeing how this is not you're well it would probably be more useful if you would just STFU.
05-16-2008 , 09:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by All in Che
Hi

Can anyone help me out plz.

Are there any links or sites that tell you how to interpret pokertracker Omaha stats on your pokerace hud stats?

For example.... we all know that when you see in your pokerace hud a holdem player with a VPIP of 20 usually means solid or tight.
Now can the same be said for an Omaha player using pokerace hud? (maybe 20 VPIP in Omaha means supertight or loose) I have no idea or benchmark to compare it with.

Any articles or help links please.

thanks
the fact that you knew you could use pokertracker and pokerace with omaha just put your omaha knowledge above mine.
05-16-2008 , 02:09 PM
WCGrider....huh?
05-16-2008 , 05:02 PM
Im not sure if this question has been asked, but i cant seem to find it.

How do you calculate the preflop winning percentage of one hand over another? In order to calculate (especially in tournaments) the expected value of making an all-in call against an approximation of your opponents hand.

I know how to calculate the odds of winning on the flop or turn, however Im confused as to how to calculate the odds of winning before the flop has been dealt.
05-16-2008 , 05:10 PM
google pokerstove and mess around with it.

~Doug
05-17-2008 , 02:46 AM
so much for getting help
05-17-2008 , 07:25 AM
Stop whining. Noone's getting paid for this thread. Your post was more of a rant about what you have done than actual questions. I don't want to be offensive but if a guy is being nice and helping others out, and then he gets **** like this, that just makes me want to strangle someone. It's screwing it up for everyone, not just you. It's like ****ting in the swimming pool. Maybe Doug was in a hurry when he replied? Maybe he just missed your post? How about asking nicely wether or not he perhaps missed your post? Just think for a second before you start bitching. He's doing this for free for christ's sake. If there's an epitome of frustration, it has got to be just wanting to help others out, and then getting spit on your face for it.

If you are serious about poker, then PT is a stone cold must, yes. You can wait until you are showing profit at the nanostakes before getting it, but at 25NL and up it's a one-time investment of like one or two buyins, which will obviously increase your winrate. What's there to be unsure about.

There are no particular secret magic tricks about hiding live tells. I mean what kind of advice are you expecting to get here? Eat nothing but celery and do fifty four pushups before going to the casino? It'll get better with experience. If you keep grinding, soon your royal flush will be just another profitable situation out of the thousands. Everyone's nervous at first, let alone when they have little experience with poker.

Please Doug don't let this junk frustrate you, we love you and your threads.

Last edited by Vantek; 05-17-2008 at 07:36 AM.
05-17-2008 , 08:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tredaug
Hey, this thread has been pretty chill! Some interesting advice from a professional. I like. I finally decided to take poker more seriously and have been reading as well as playing more. I fully agree that 5NL is too high for a $50 bankroll. Found out the hard way.

Starting with some ST SnGs just to solidify my play. Having started here a year ago, I find it easy to payout in more than I don't.

I'm unsure about buying PT3, is it a must? I can see how that would make multi-tabling more successful, but I'm starting to get pretty decent at ranging people at my low level. I've blown $50 (not counting "early successes" totalling ~$100) three times trying to make up for lost money (6 months between each deposit cause I'm cheap), which I'm over. I'm trying to be steady with my play and also focus more on the hands i'm not in. Since I read all the time about xx/yy/zz, I've started looking at players this way. It's refreshing for a sklansky/harrington bookworm.

I have one more question. What are good ways to prevent tells in live games? I haven't had trouble yet being up $65 in two sessions at Tahoe for my first time (I did re-buy-in once), but I'd hate to get put on something like that. Everytime I put in my chips (playing short-stacked 200NL) I get nervous regardless of my hand because I know luck can be killer, and that keeps me looking scared throughout.

Once again, thanks for all the posts and replies both!

Tre
Quote:
Originally Posted by tredaug
so much for getting help
No, you don't need PT3 if you're playing NL5 or small stakes STTs.

WCG hasn't mentioned any live experience so I'm guessing he wouldn't have much knowledge of live tells.

Live tells are overrated and not very useful. They might swing a close decision one way or the other though. To prevent live tells work on your poker face. Sit in the same position, fix your gaze on something, don't move and relax yourself. Do this whether you're bluffing or not. If you're nervous about luck then you're clearly not comfortable playing in the game and are not properly rolled for it.

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Originally Posted by montanad12
We thank you for help, but seeing how this is not you're well it would probably be more useful if you would just STFU.
I don't recall WCG calling this his well and phydaux is definitely qualified to answer/expand upon reverse implied odds situations.

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Originally Posted by All in Che
WCGrider....huh?
He's saying he doesn't know anything about omaha and can't help you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by styleXX
is there somewhere that goes more in to detail what the above means. i.e.20/17/4 ??

thanks

styleXx
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055197237
05-17-2008 , 10:07 AM
2-4 cash game both with approx $400

I raise to 12 from mid position with JJ. Button reraises to 48. i have no real read on the guy but heres the problem

I dont want to build a massive pot preflop with JJ out of position, The button could have QQ KK AA or could take it off me on the flop. JJ does not justify a pot of the one that could potentially build here

I feel i need to flop a set to continue and so my JJ might just as well be 22 here. Ive only put 12 into the pot and on a low flop, i might get married to the hand and lose my whole stack. I decided that although the button could have trash, he could probably take my chips. I folded to his raise and waited for a better spot.

Could i, should i have played this different.

A reraise preflop by me would bring in pot commitment issues on the flop
A flat call would prob be a mistake

What would u do?
05-17-2008 , 09:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tredaug
Hey, this thread has been pretty chill! Some interesting advice from a professional. I like. I finally decided to take poker more seriously and have been reading as well as playing more. I fully agree that 5NL is too high for a $50 bankroll. Found out the hard way.

Starting with some ST SnGs just to solidify my play. Having started here a year ago, I find it easy to payout in more than I don't.

I'm unsure about buying PT3, is it a must? I can see how that would make multi-tabling more successful, but I'm starting to get pretty decent at ranging people at my low level. I've blown $50 (not counting "early successes" totalling ~$100) three times trying to make up for lost money (6 months between each deposit cause I'm cheap), which I'm over. I'm trying to be steady with my play and also focus more on the hands i'm not in. Since I read all the time about xx/yy/zz, I've started looking at players this way. It's refreshing for a sklansky/harrington bookworm.

I have one more question. What are good ways to prevent tells in live games? I haven't had trouble yet being up $65 in two sessions at Tahoe for my first time (I did re-buy-in once), but I'd hate to get put on something like that. Everytime I put in my chips (playing short-stacked 200NL) I get nervous regardless of my hand because I know luck can be killer, and that keeps me looking scared throughout.

Once again, thanks for all the posts and replies both!

Tre
chill out i have a bunch going on and i missed your post, play nice.

As for online play, you need a pokertracker type program. Not necessarily PT3, but certainly something like it. Also a HUD is definitely good to have.

I have played live almost none and have virtually the same problems you do actually, so maybe someone can help us both out in that regard.
05-17-2008 , 09:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vantek
Stop whining. Noone's getting paid for this thread. Your post was more of a rant about what you have done than actual questions. I don't want to be offensive but if a guy is being nice and helping others out, and then he gets **** like this, that just makes me want to strangle someone. It's screwing it up for everyone, not just you. It's like ****ting in the swimming pool. Maybe Doug was in a hurry when he replied? Maybe he just missed your post? How about asking nicely wether or not he perhaps missed your post? Just think for a second before you start bitching. He's doing this for free for christ's sake. If there's an epitome of frustration, it has got to be just wanting to help others out, and then getting spit on your face for it.

If you are serious about poker, then PT is a stone cold must, yes. You can wait until you are showing profit at the nanostakes before getting it, but at 25NL and up it's a one-time investment of like one or two buyins, which will obviously increase your winrate. What's there to be unsure about.

There are no particular secret magic tricks about hiding live tells. I mean what kind of advice are you expecting to get here? Eat nothing but celery and do fifty four pushups before going to the casino? It'll get better with experience. If you keep grinding, soon your royal flush will be just another profitable situation out of the thousands. Everyone's nervous at first, let alone when they have little experience with poker.

Please Doug don't let this junk frustrate you, we love you and your threads.
Thanks man this post is truth.
05-18-2008 , 04:20 PM
Hi WCGRider, I have seen your challenge set up at the BBV forum and I must say good luck before I ask my question. Good luck!

What I wanted to ask is, at the moment I 9-table 1 cent 2 cent on Pokerstars and at the moment I am doing very well. My bankroll is about $241 now. I want to play more tables, ideally around 16 or so. How should I set up 16 tables? Do I just go view > tile tables or is there a more elegant way of playing 16 or more tables? And also, if I'm going to be 16 tabling, what stakes should I play with my $241 bankroll. I play 6-max normal speed tables, by the way.

Thanks Rider.
05-18-2008 , 08:52 PM
Some people like stacking, some like like tiling. Here is a good thread on the subject.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=199155

Cheers
05-19-2008 , 01:13 AM
Is there a big difference to your approach to 6Max vs FR at low limit eg .25/,50 ?

Thanks for your time and effort.
05-19-2008 , 05:38 PM
not really, in both i play just my normal game.
05-19-2008 , 06:19 PM
What are the best ways of staying of tilt? I can play my A/B game for 15-20k hands but if I get some heavy short term varience and lose 5-6 buins in a matter of like 2 mins I sometimes tilt very badly and start playing badly which continues for days sometimes if I still don't at least break even or get out of that state of mind. So any ways of staying tilt free?

Second Question is how important is table selection for 10nl through 50nl? Should I take a significant amount of time to table select and should I only sit with total fish? Should I mostly stay away from regs if I adjust okay but it becomes more of a grind and I lose some edge because of heavy three-betting, more agressive bigger pots, etc?

And third is kind of more specific in say 50nl if there is an UTG raise a call from MP and you're on the BTN with JJ, QQ, AKs, or AKoff if you squeeze and the guy shoves all in say 100BBs deep what do you call with with no history and UTG has standard TAG stats? Also, any other advice on all-in preflop at 50nl I seem to somtimes have the feeling that I should fold QQ or AKs preflop to 4bets/shoves, so if you could talk briefly about that I would apreciate it.
05-19-2008 , 09:37 PM
WCGRider,
1 - who is Dids? why is he popular? why is he no longer a Mod?
2 - who is Grimstarr? where is he?
3 - what is wafflecrush?
4 - what does FTW stand for?
05-20-2008 , 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by gregh2177
What are the best ways of staying of tilt? I can play my A/B game for 15-20k hands but if I get some heavy short term varience and lose 5-6 buins in a matter of like 2 mins I sometimes tilt very badly and start playing badly which continues for days sometimes if I still don't at least break even or get out of that state of mind. So any ways of staying tilt free?

Second Question is how important is table selection for 10nl through 50nl? Should I take a significant amount of time to table select and should I only sit with total fish? Should I mostly stay away from regs if I adjust okay but it becomes more of a grind and I lose some edge because of heavy three-betting, more agressive bigger pots, etc?

And third is kind of more specific in say 50nl if there is an UTG raise a call from MP and you're on the BTN with JJ, QQ, AKs, or AKoff if you squeeze and the guy shoves all in say 100BBs deep what do you call with with no history and UTG has standard TAG stats? Also, any other advice on all-in preflop at 50nl I seem to somtimes have the feeling that I should fold QQ or AKs preflop to 4bets/shoves, so if you could talk briefly about that I would apreciate it.
1) It takes time but you will get there. Try to just let it not get to you at all and pretend it didnt matter. I just start laughing. A sort of crazed, delirious pshyco how bad can i honestly run laugh. But play the same.

2)Table selecting is important and try to get better tables. But really just try to find decent tables and dont sweat it too much.

3) In Full Ring i would fold every single one of those unless villian is crazy. In Six Max, if he is running reasonable i would call with the QQ/AK's and fold the JJ. If he is nitty you can fold them all. If he is loose call with all.
05-20-2008 , 06:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The B
WCGRider,
1 - who is Dids? why is he popular? why is he no longer a Mod?
2 - who is Grimstarr? where is he?
3 - what is wafflecrush?
4 - what does FTW stand for?
1 - Dids used to be a mod, and used to be very fat. Then he lost weight and became king of BBV4L. Or something like this, i dont know this one very well.

2 - Grimstarr is a famous 2+2 poster who went on a crazy ride from MSNL to Nosebleed stakes and is now back to MSNL. He is most well known for just open shoving the button in a HU match in order to steal the big blind and talk about things he could buy with said money (for example $200).

3 - wafflecrush is a term Sean(sp?) Deep coined. He likes waffles and it has something to do with that. So when you own someone you wafflecrush someone.

4 - FTW = For The Win
05-20-2008 , 07:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WCGRider
4 - FTW = For The Wafflecrush
fyp. imo.
05-20-2008 , 01:44 PM
WCGrinder (or anyone that wants to answer) first off thanks for this thread.

I have started to 3 bet and squeeze a lot because Ive come to the conclusion that calling PF is bad. I also seem to only cold call with medium pp. Pretty much like you recomended in earlier posts.

The question I have is when I get to bigger games where people are paying more attention isnt this going to be very easy for them to figure out and realize? Therefore if they raise AA preflop and I have position and call and the flop comes 69K. They cbet and I raise or even call here it screams set, if they pay attention to what I cold call with pre. Is this something I need to worry about? What % of the time are you cold calling with hands like 89s and 3 betting hands like 66 to throw off the thinking competition?

Also Im ready to make my move to $25NL please dont run me over during your prop bet (luckily I play 6 max)...Oh and good luck to you on that bet.

Oh and I mainly play 6 max so if you could answer like you were playing 6 max thats cool if not just let me know what you do for FR and Ill try things out to see how they work.

Last edited by jasonfish11; 05-20-2008 at 01:58 PM.
05-22-2008 , 08:56 AM
1. Did you start out Multi-tabling when you first started learning/playing low-ish stakes, and if so do you feel this affected your learning of the game in any way? I recently had a session of 6-tabling 6-max $25nl and dropped 6 buy ins through 900 hands, it was only my second time of 6-tabling and i'm kind scared to 6-table anymore incase that happens again.

2. In a low stakes 6-max game, do you feel that there's still room for more 'advanced' plays such as squeezing and two barreling(I just read your post about this and it was awesome)? I'm going through a tough run at $25nl and i'm trying to work out how 'adventurous' my game should be to play optimaly. Atm i'm trying to work from the ground up and not do any 'fancy' moves or anything, but when i play a big breakeven session i kind of feel like i'm not a long term winner at the game because i'm never playing any interesting pots.

3. What's your play on the button with a hand like KJo, ATo, KQ, QJo etc when a standard TAG CO opens? The problem i'm finding is that your hand is generaly ahead of their range(in both hot-cold equity terms and playability) but when you re-raise you often fold out all of the hands your dominating, and when you flat call you miss the flop a lot and have to fold to a C-bet. Is it acceptable just to fold some of these hands?

4. Same question for playing out of the SB against a button open, having AT in this spot always seems to suck balls, yet i feel too weak to fold it. Also, how often if ever do you cold call from the SB with non pair hands? Say you have 9Ts in the SB opens, what frequencies are you 3-betting/calling/folding in this spot?

5. What's the longest downswing/breakeven stretch you've been on, at what limits?

Thanks a lot for doing this thread, your replies have been very usefull and i think it's great that you're taking a lot of time to help people, good luck with the $25nl challenge!

      
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