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04-02-2008 , 01:37 PM
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04-02-2008 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by andbeyond
Hi, thanks for starting this thread.

I've nearly cleared my PokerStars bonus, which should bring my BR to ~$300 - I'm looking to move sites, somewhere I can play 10NL and get a good bonus + rakeback (btw does Rakeback go directly into your Poker account?). I'm Brit so I guess I can play on any site - any suggestions?

Thanks.
Um i guess UB but i dont know too much about bonus whoring.
04-02-2008 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Vantek
Thumbs up.

As for questions... how do different sites compare to each other, and especially how does Party compare to others? I hope I can at least learn the game there properly?

2nd, how do cash games and tournaments compare? I understand you should stick to one foremost, but in terms of profit etc is there much difference WHICH?

Just asking for the off the top of your head answers here don't make much effort ^^
Never played party and know nothing about it.

Yes, Cash makes more money.
04-02-2008 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by KurtSF
Doug, you are a cool dude.
What can i say i like to help people.
04-02-2008 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by _Steven Levitt_
Doug, thanks for this. Am new to 2+2 but not new to forums, however i've heard this is the nuts compared to what i was using. How right those people were!

I 6 table NL25 FR, and am looking at developing my game as Uni breaks soon and the bastards who i was looking at working for rejected me at the last stage. So I have 3 months from June 4th to make some money.

www.the3ktuitionmission.blogpost.com is my blog, have a couple of hands on there, the first one especially is still bugging me!

Is 8k hands enough to find out my true style of play?

GL

Cheers!
You need way more then 8k, try like 30k, but probably more like 50k.
04-02-2008 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JH1
Hey WCG. I just moved up to 25nl last month and plan to play at least 20k hands with a 5+ptBB/100 winrate before moving up to 50nl, I've got another 6k to go (lol I'm BR'ed for 100nl but I'm a nit, that's what I get for sitting at 10nl for 6 months).

I think I've played a few hundred hands with you when you were still at 25nl before I knew what BR management was and was playing underrolled a while back, unless this was one of your challenges when you came down several levels, your play was quite intimidating and found myself in tough spots OOP a lot against you, and all that 3betting tilted the **** out of me . Your stats were very similar to what you said they are now.

I've really been working on 3betting/folding like you said and have managed to run comfortably at 16/13/3 compared to my old 20/12/1.5 for the past month.

Anyways, I like to multitable a lot as I find it helps me fold marginal hands and keeps me out of trouble. I usually 8-12 table FR and was wondering what kind of layout you find works best for 24 tabling, ie. tiling/stacking etc. I can keep up with 18 tables max but can't make decisions properly on more than 12.

Also, which HUD stats do you find most useful and which ones do you place on the table?
Good to hear its going well for you.

I use 2 26 inch monitors and it comfortably can 24 table with little overlap. If you cant play more then 12 then just stick to 12.

I use PAHUD and its by far better then gametime, but with pt3 coming out soon i will probably use that.
04-02-2008 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Gressklipper
Greetings from Norway!

First of all I would like to say thanks for giving back and thumbs up for all the positive and good feedback.
I am not a regular poster at 2+2 (as you can see). But I read it everyday in search of good advice like this.

My questions was; how many tables do you consider to be optimal for getting better at the game, rather than making money.
And at what stakes do you advice getting rakeback?

I play 10nl atm, running: 16.47/12.28/2.77 <- any advice on this would also be appreciated.
I think playing less tables to learn is somewhat overated, but i suppose 4 tables is best for that. RB is also overated but i play at stars so i just get fpps. Your stats are good but get more agro, you should be at least 3.5 or 4 for AF.
04-02-2008 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakinmecrzy
I've only recently starting multitabling, how do you get it to where all your tables are visible at once and lined up with the PS software. for the life of me I cannot figure this out. i have a puny monitor though... so can't do too many tables like this
Just open a bunch of tables and dont play on any of them, and style it how you like. Then save it as a custom layout and youve got it!
04-02-2008 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by raze
Hey WCG, if you haven't already answered, what site(s) do you play? Winrate at NL400+ ?

Have you played NL400+ at multiple sites? Care to share the goods & bads ie. game flow, reg toughness, fishiness, support ?
I have only played 400+ at stars, and it is not very fish. Tight agressive play pretty much rules it. I dont have even close to enough hands to even give you a guestimate on winrate. (ive prob got like 20k hands at 400+). Support is obviously awesome.

I like stars software and the fpps are basically better then any rb program... so its pretty good.
04-02-2008 , 04:43 PM
This is to any seasoned players really-

Just a quick background on myself: I've played since high school (i'm 25 now), so that's roughly 7 years. Over time of course, I began to gradually win more, but never really got a working bankroll over $10,000 at any given point (bad habits, spending, tilt, etc). I came to the honest conclusion I am at best a break even to moderately skilled player in low limit - mid limit games (highest games played are 2-5 NL and 10-20 limit live, 1-2 nl online).

In short- how do you guys deal with inactivity, and also maintaining your knowledge of the game (the finer points, sharper mathematics, so on)
04-02-2008 , 05:08 PM
Hey, thanx for helping


How much is a good player's winrate / hour for 25NL 6max/FR games considers he 4 tables at a time? is $20/hr possible?
04-02-2008 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by thedayidie
Hey, thanx for helping
How much is a good player's winrate / hour for 25NL 6max/FR games considers he 4 tables at a time? is $20/hr possible?
If you are slaughtering the game for 10+ptbb/100, then yes.
04-02-2008 , 06:24 PM
Hello WCGRider. Ive been winning around 400€(not including tip/drinks/food/ etc.) now within 1 month with a bankroll of 400 per month since im in the Army for like 2 more months.

Im playing NL200 in casinos so thats 12.5 % of my starting bankroll everytime i sit down with 50 € at a full table.

Ive been playing for about 1 and a half year now. And like 2 months in casinos now.
Do you think i should keep on play like that? I usually get a bad beat everytime i come back from the casino with either aces or kings. And im still making profit like every day i go there. Like last time i went to the Casino i lost about 100 € by just getting no hands but o well it happens.


So whats your advice here Sir?

Regards alive
04-02-2008 , 06:41 PM
If you were bankrolled for a higher level, and felt confident in your game, and were winning over a small sample size, why would you need to grind out 20k hands? Just to prove something?

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04-02-2008 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by I vi ii V7
If you were bankrolled for a higher level, and felt confident in your game, and were winning over a small sample size, why would you need to grind out 20k hands? Just to prove something?
Basically, yeah. Many people like to prove to themselves that they are beating their current level over a decent sample size before moving up to higher stakes. There's nothing wrong in not doing that if you're indeed confident and bankrolled properly and feel that you're not just running hot either
04-02-2008 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Lateksi
Basically, yeah. Many people like to prove to themselves that they are beating their current level over a decent sample size before moving up to higher stakes. There's nothing wrong in not doing that if you're indeed confident and bankrolled properly and feel that you're not just running hot either
Just curious, for my own situation.
04-02-2008 , 07:30 PM
If you feel like you can beat the next level, go ahead and take a shot, I don't see anything wrong with that - the skill difference between the micro stakes isn't really that big anyway. I'd probably do the same
04-02-2008 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lateksi
If you feel like you can beat the next level, go ahead and take a shot, I don't see anything wrong with that - the skill difference between the micro stakes isn't really that big anyway. I'd probably do the same

Cool, thanks. If all goes well (and I don't just mean "run good"), I'll be taking a shot at 50NL this month. I'll have at most, 10k hands of 25NL, but I feel really good about what I've learned in the last couple months.
04-03-2008 , 01:21 AM
See thats my fear right there WCG i hope i wasnt just running lucky. but i feel pretty confident about my reading skills

Theres one more problem but im sure everyone got it... I waste the money i lose too much

But well i track every single session on checkyourbet.com so i can stop playing that limit when i ll figure out that im just not good enough yet.

Cause im usually using the Small stake strategy. 50 buyin and wait for a good hand or pocket pair to limp in. or suited connectors in late position.

I was playing very loose lately and ive lost about 150 on my last sessions by playing stupid hands like 6c4c or 9d2d in late etc. just cause they were suited.
I wont do this no more and i think i ll run better after i get back to my tight-agressive tactic. ( good hands, steal pots when i got a chance)

EDIT: Ive noticed that i raise my big hands too much and it will usually look like i really got a strong hand as a tight player. But ofc i dont want to like get a caller with a flush draw on flop for example so how much am i going to raise it on flop with 2 callers and my 15 € raise preflop? 2/3rd of pot ? or just pot ?
especially when the board looks scary(flush draw straight draw)

regards

Last edited by aliveftw; 04-03-2008 at 01:28 AM.
04-03-2008 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by I vi ii V7
Cool, thanks. If all goes well (and I don't just mean "run good"), I'll be taking a shot at 50NL this month. I'll have at most, 10k hands of 25NL, but I feel really good about what I've learned in the last couple months.
I had around 10k hands at 25NL before taking a shot at 50NL with around 20BI - lost a bunch of buy-ins, went back to 25NL for another 10k and took another shot, now I'm at 50NL for good (hopefully) good luck
04-03-2008 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Lateksi
I had around 10k hands at 25NL before taking a shot at 50NL with around 20BI - lost a bunch of buy-ins, went back to 25NL for another 10k and took another shot, now I'm at 50NL for good (hopefully) good luck
No, in a few weeks you'll be joining me for 100NL ballin!
04-03-2008 , 09:35 AM
People keep saying stuff like "I'm getting about x to 1 so I need about x% equity to call"

I know how to work out pot odds, but how do I then work the equity that I need to be able to call profitably?
04-03-2008 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by WCGRider
Yes, Cash makes more money [than tournaments]
could you elaborate as to why this is?
04-03-2008 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Fermion5
could you elaborate as to why this is?
Hourly. In cash games you can play more tables, and have a higher winrate, and thus a higher hourly. However your never gonna make like a bajillion dollars in one sitdown, but consistently make moneys.
04-07-2008 , 10:05 AM
Hi Doug, first of all thanks for your availability

I've been a limit player for almost 2 years but changed to NL given the dryness of limit games in micros. Actually I'm playing NL25 at Stars, 9 tabling mostly (due to monitor restrictions, haha).

I've been studying your play at that level with the 47k hands file you posted about last Christmas Challenge. I have to say I think I've improved my game a lot thanks to you, but still have problems adjusting to the looser tables of the weekends. In fact, if not for the weekends now I would be crushing the level in the last 40k hands, while instead I'm only a couple of ptBB/100 on the positive thanks to 14 buy-in lost in two consecutive weekends. I've had a lot of coolers and no anti-coolers, few set flopping, etc... but it is not because of big pots that I lost so much in the weekends, is more like a slow bleeding because of having to fold TPTK on board with too many people calling my CB, having to fold a set because everybody called and the board got to four of a suit,... well, you know the story.

What adjustments, if any, do you make to play on weekends?

      
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