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03-11-2019 , 02:49 PM
Sometimes I'll play a hand like J9J9 double suited and the board will come something like. Rainbow A 9 2. What is your strategy for this kind of spots? I tend to bet half pot and just call down unless the board becomes more connected. Then when I face a big potsized bet on the river, I am rarely good, so I fold.

Or sometimes I'd get in with a hand like 7s 8s 8c 9c and get a board like Kh Qh 8d rainbow. Which is so tougher for me. Do I just check and let them draw a card potentially finishing their straight or flush. Do I bet here u to deny them, risking getting in a set over set situation? They have two pair so often, but I can't be aggressive against it, since it's likely a flip and they'd rather get it in then fold at micros. Normally I like to call smaller bets till the river, but fold to any pot sized bet with these hands.

How do you get the most value out of these hands without getting crushed too often? Am I better off, forgetting about these hands in the micros till I move up?
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03-11-2019 , 04:06 PM
welcome to plo
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03-11-2019 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
welcome to plo
Thank you, does the anxiety thing get better down the line?
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03-12-2019 , 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Lyamani
Thank you, does the anxiety thing get better down the line?


Hmmm. Let me see if I can word this scientifically.

The anxiety doesn’t go away technically. It’s like the Law of Conservation of Mass. The law implies that mass can neither be created nor destroyed, although the entities associated with it may be changed in form.

The anxiety just changes form. You simply become a degenerate and the anxiety becomes the degen inside of you.

You play PLO long enough. You become degenerate. You just need to embrace it.


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03-12-2019 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Lyamani
Thank you, does the anxiety thing get better down the line?
no, u just become more aware of other potential threats
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03-12-2019 , 11:39 AM
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without getting crushed too often?
ask a different question.

How do I crush?

be willing to flip. you need balls to play plo.
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03-12-2019 , 01:25 PM
How deep are you? Did you raise or call a raise? What's the table dynamic? What position are you in? What's your image?

A92 ... 1/2 pot and check it down? Zero 5-card hands can complete on Turn and you can't live in fear of someone else hitting a set (K-T) ... get chips in the pot when you have a top 5 hand. If potting this Flop always generates folds in your game then you are too tight!!

KQ8 ... NOW maybe we c/c and look for a cheaper Showdown. Certainly on the Flop you don't want to exaggerate this pot. Players are far more likely to fold draws with only one card to come and you may be able to see a cheaper River too.

PLO takes time to 'accept' ... You do realize that you need 3-4x the BR to play PLO, yes? There are basically no 80-20 spots, so by default you either need to become very comfortable in the 40-60% range or avoid playing the game. GL
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03-12-2019 , 01:54 PM
Omaha is the one with four cards, right?
The short answer is that the stronger our made hand is the weaker our draws can be if we rr. If we have naked top set on a non sf board we can raise. If we have bottom set with an oesd we can raise. If we have naked bottom set and only a bdfd we should call down. If we have mid set it's somewhere in the middle, need some backdoor equity to stack, even if it's simply a blocker to the overset or two bdfds
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03-12-2019 , 01:56 PM
Oops .. Wheel draw on A92 ... GL
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03-12-2019 , 05:26 PM
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How deep are you? Did you raise or call a raise? What's the table dynamic? What position are you in? What's your image?

A92 ... 1/2 pot and check it down? Zero 5-card hands can complete on Turn and you can't live in fear of someone else hitting a set (K-T) ... get chips in the pot when you have a top 5 hand. If potting this Flop always generates folds in your game then you are too tight!!

KQ8 ... NOW maybe we c/c and look for a cheaper Showdown. Certainly on the Flop you don't want to exaggerate this pot. Players are far more likely to fold draws with only one card to come and you may be able to see a cheaper River too.

PLO takes time to 'accept' ... You do realize that you need 3-4x the BR to play PLO, yes? There are basically no 80-20 spots, so by default you either need to become very comfortable in the 40-60% range or avoid playing the game. GL
I agree with everything you've said. On the first hand, I feel like I am rarely getting action from anything but top set, lack of draws means I'll rarely get paid, but when I do get action it's either two pair or the superior straight. Especially on such a dry board. It appears I'll need to put in another 100.000 PLO hands, so I am more familiar with the game.
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