Uurgh, just had one of those sessions where you plug away building your stack, and some fish get's lucky, so you plug away some more and some dude flops a set against your aces after calling off a 3rd of his stack pre to setmine.

I hate this game sometimes...

Yeah, it's always fun when people setmine vs 4bets 100bb deep. Just remember you'll win a bunch off it in the long run.

I never heard of flatting suited one gappers being standard 200bb+ deep

I remember a thread where they asked how deep you have to be to flat suited 1 gappers and 250bb+ was not enough still

at best he's going to have the higher Flush when all the monies go in

If we're lucky we hit our concealed straight but we need to hit a near perfect board for that and he's probably not bet/3bet/5betting sets on 9JQ so it has to be 79J and he has to have JJ

even 679 might be scary enough hmm

He even might have KT on 9JQ so we really need that one perfect board for us

Yeah I know, just hard when you're looking at -3BIs having done it right. Sklansky owes me a beer!

@Frosty: Yeah, but with the stack depth, if his stackoff range is so narrow we can exploit that by attacking with equity. Much more room to use position. Who cares about hitting the hand.

Then our hand doesn't matter

I don't see much equity in T8s, I see a lot of RIO though

we will often have the 2nd best flush and not as often the 2nd best straight

then often we will have a decent looking hand like 8T on 679 but then there are a ton of cards that will kill our action also a ton of cards that give us the 2nd best hand, imagine he has JT and a 8 peels off or a T and J on the turn and he has QK

and that's only if we actually gin the flop a lot of times the board will be 9J2 or 9JK and we draw to the 2nd best hand often we have to fold

We won't flop equity as often as with SCs because of the gap so we won't flop something that has *enough* equity 12% of the time

So if he's not spewing on the flop it's unlikely we can take advantage of the stack depth as he'll be more cautious oop deep

We flop a GS + overs - decent spot to semi-bluff. We flop an OESD - decent spot to semi-bluff if our straight wouldn't be too disguised. And we can exercise pot control when villain is likely to have a better flush - we have position.

And our hand matters because the EV of semibluffing is much better than the EV of bluffing.

Been running bad all day, now this.

**** Ipoker rigged POS

Just to be clear, on the flop they have 1% equity....

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL @ that hand. I'd break something.

oh god thats dirty..

98% to win n still lose..




LOL U GOT OWNED.

New strapline for Ipoker:

"Play at Ipoker. Where we turn ****** into reward"

lol, I guess someone analyses these things, but iPoker seemed to feed the fish their miracle hands whenever they needed them.
I did warn you

lol ipkoer to me jus seems juicy as ****, ill prob transfer my monies to a diff site soon enough.. I feel like the bonus that new sites offer equates to such a large amount of rakeback that theres no way I wouldve made the same by staying at stars zoom..

so ima eventually in a few weeks, venture off into "fast forward" poker, clera some bonuses, crush some fishies, N MAKE SOME MAD ****ING MONIES.. CUZ ITS WHAT I ****IN DO..

Just beware, it takes time to adjust to each site.

Bonus whoring and grinding RB is kinda fun tho

The problem is that if we want to flop OESD we actually need a specific board as we need a 9 or we are drawing to the second nuts/are behind

like 567 with 8T where we are drawing to the nuts but villains with 89 are miles ahead + blocking and never stacking off if a 9 peels

SCs like 76 can flop 54 or 89 while T8 ALWAYS needs a 9 + either 7 or J that means we're going to flop equity less often

To the point where it becomes -EV to call preflop actually I think
GS+Overs is rare too as we would need a 67x board where a lot of cards can kill our action like a 5,8,9,T even A K Q if he has something like JJ

We just don't have the implied odds

I think the chance of flopping a OESD with 1gapper is 4% would need to do some math on checking this out
GS with overs was lower than that I think

slolercoaster

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $29.12
SB: $27.96
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $38.51
MP: $30.43
CO: $80.42

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8 T

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50, 2 players) 6 A 9
SB bets $1.00, Hero raises to $2.90, SB calls $1.90

Turn: ($7.30, 2 players) 2
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($7.30, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero checks

SB shows 7 8 (High Card, Ace) (Pre 34%, Flop 27%, Turn 16%)
Hero shows 8 T (High Card, Ace) (Pre 66%, Flop 73%, Turn 84%)
Hero wins $6.97

Question: In his shoes, should he(the 87s guy) be ALWAYS bettign thsi river assuming his vllains turn action?
Cuz i would never check turn w a set, and i would sometimes do that w a straigh tor flsh draw and that ****s bricks heavuily on river, so shsoultn he awlays be betting???

He should always bet river as it makes no sense for you to raise the flop with a set and then check a 2 turn

also would not make sense to check Ax there

Would make sense to check FD there and raise the flop for a free river card
If the FD missed you most likely have a bluff like 78o

If you actually check turn you're giving all draws a free card and you're reducing the amount of available value streets for your value hands

If you bet the turn and the river and he folds you get the exact same amount out of him if you check and he bets the river

Therefore making a raise bet bet line superior to a raise check raise line with our value hands as he's most likely bluffing if he bets the river or he'd ship the flop

Therefore making his drawing hands pay more hero should always bet turn regardless or not raise flop as he is getting the same amount out of villains if he binks the river and bets and villain folds, but when hero bets the turn villain can fold some of his draws that missed and hero will almost never get raised on the turn (by what that doesn't ship flop? ) and he can check back his missed hands on the river while getting a extra street if he binks

So he wins more by triple barreling and loses the same amount if he checks the river instead of the turn giving him a chance to bet villain off of his draws

Free money Friday folks!

Misclicked didn't shove river. Then again - saved by the river!

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (UTG): $5.05
MP: $6.19
CO: $11.78
BTN: $5.71
SB: $5.00
BB: $2.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has A A

Hero raises to $0.15, fold, CO calls $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, SB calls $0.13, fold

Flop: ($0.65, 4 players) T J 4
SB checks, Hero bets $0.45, CO calls $0.45, BTN calls $0.45, fold

Turn: ($2.00, 3 players) K
Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20, BTN calls $1.20

River: ($5.60, 3 players) 4
Hero bets $2.95, CO raises to $9.98 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $0.30 and is all-in



Few hands later, this reg seemed happy to barrel, thought I'd let him.

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (CO): $11.23
BTN: $6.30
SB: $6.75
BB: $3.98
UTG: $5.00
MP: $1.80

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to $0.17, fold, Hero calls $0.17, BTN calls $0.17, fold, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.70, 4 players) 2 Q 8
BB checks, UTG bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, fold, fold

Turn: ($1.90, 2 players) 2
UTG bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($4.90, 2 players) 6
UTG bets $2.73 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.73



Also, would normally check fold turn after being called, but this villain was calling everything whilst berating a russian for being a donkey (he was Ukrainian )

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (UTG): $5.00
MP: $3.46
CO: $4.37
BTN: $6.57
SB: $6.92
BB: $6.37

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has 8 8

Hero raises to $0.15, fold, CO calls $0.15, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) A 7 5
Hero bets $0.22, CO calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.81, 2 players) A
Hero bets $0.48, CO calls $0.48

River: ($1.77, 2 players) T
Hero bets $1.00, CO calls $1.00

^^Nice thin value bet in the last hand Stude.

Seriously, I swear I saw that guy fold once but I'm not sure.
He seems to ignore aces/flushes/straights on the board if he has a pair.

And he's stuck $17 in only 72 hands playing 72/24

AA - shove river, JESUS CHRIST ur tilting me by never shoving properly in the last mass hands u posted about shoves
88 - I would go generally go a tad bit smaller on riv but otherwise WP



Vs REG, too ez imo..

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $30.08
SB: $27.14
BB: $30.15
UTG: $25.40
MP: $48.75
Hero (CO): $155.66

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A J

UTG raises to $0.50, fold, Hero calls $0.50, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.35, 2 players) K A 7
UTG bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.35, 2 players) Q
UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($8.35, 2 players) 2
UTG bets $2.50, Hero raises to $9.00, fold

Hero wins $12.75

lol this guy is hilarious - 92/35/22% 3 bet, calling down with anything.
I was a bit worried by his bets here, kicking myself for not value betting river.

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $5.00
Hero (BTN): $5.00
SB: $7.90
BB: $5.38
UTG: $4.58
MP: $23.77

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has Q Q

UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, BB calls $0.15, UTG calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.62, 3 players) 3 6 9
BB bets $0.56, fold, Hero calls $0.56

Turn: ($1.74, 2 players) 4
BB bets $1.04, Hero calls $1.04

River: ($3.82, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero checks

that's probably the worst river check ever man, no offence but not betting that river is just atrocious .. Theres almost no way he wouod check a better hand than urs on the river, he would almsot always bet it.. So when he checks, u can be fairly certain u ahve the best hand

I know I know.
He's so readable that he's scared of the flush but tbh his range and play is so random I just chickened out then regretted it instantly.