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03-02-2013 , 08:17 PM
him 25/19/9.8 over 110 hands.

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16302631

    SB: $14.77 (295.4 bb)
    BB: $2.94 (58.8 bb)
    MP: $1.92 (38.4 bb)
    Hero (CO): $12.70 (254 bb)
    BTN: $17.14 (342.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A K
    MP folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN raises to $0.45, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.15, BTN calls $0.70

    Flop: ($2.37) 4 8 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.55, BTN raises to $3.90, HERO ?




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    03-02-2013 , 08:21 PM
    Chad: Don't think we really have any options but shove. We have NFD + likely overs, plus there's a decent chance he has KhA...
    03-02-2013 , 08:24 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fishtankz
    wow <10 hands of session.
    Trapping working as intended. Can never underestimate fishes commitment to top pair.
    Like TheDefinateArticle said, do not slow play pre. There is so much value to be had by 3betting.
    03-02-2013 , 08:37 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by thetallpaul

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16298551

      BTN: $4.39 (87.8 bb)
      SB: $3.95 (79 bb)
      BB: $6.21 (124.2 bb)
      UTG: $5.96 (119.2 bb)
      Hero (MP): $11.56 (231.2 bb)
      CO: $16.32 (326.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with A K
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25

      Flop: ($0.87) 5 8 2 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $3.99, Hero calls $3.99

      Turn: ($8.85) 9 (2 players)
      River: ($8.85) 2 (2 players)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $8.85 pot ($0.37 rake)
      Final Board: 5 8 2 9 2
      BTN showed A A and lost (-$4.39 net)
      Hero showed A K and won $8.48 ($4.09 net)



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      These sort of hands were typical. Normally some of these I get stacked on as fish call, call and call and at some point hit second pair or straight or something. Yesterday all I was ahead on stayed ahead.


        Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16298611

        BTN: $5 (100 bb)
        SB: $5.25 (105 bb)
        BB: $4.75 (95 bb)
        UTG: $1.95 (39 bb)
        MP: $8.21 (164.2 bb)
        Hero (CO): $16.71 (334.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
        2 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, BB calls $0.15

        Flop: ($0.42) 7 T 5 (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30

        Turn: ($1.02) 7 (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $0.52, BB calls $0.52

        River: ($2.06) A (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $1.96, BB calls $1.96

        Spoiler:
        Results: $5.98 pot ($0.25 rake)
        Final Board: 7 T 5 7 A
        BB mucked Q Q and lost (-$2.98 net)
        Hero showed A A and won $5.73 ($2.75 net)



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        And this hand normally he would flip J3o over or something but this session he was a donkey. Does he really think I am 3betting and 5betting with air?
        Don't think anyway has replied to these yet.

        AKs, 4bet get it in pre IMO. Not sure how aggro 5Nl is these days but not getting AK( especially sooted) in at any 6max game is sinfull lol

        AA, your missing so much value OTF and turn if he as fish. Bet slightly larger OTF and much larger OTT. OTR his calling range just got a lot weaker because of the scare card so you should in theory be betting smaller, however I have no problem potting 3 streets lol. It just doesn't make too much sense to bet small on the flop and turn when he can call you with so much more. Think about villains calling range not just your hand
        03-02-2013 , 08:44 PM
        well at least I got the jam right. apparently I should 4bet bigger (cause we're 250bb deep) and cbet smaller. obv villain has been raping me all night and had T9hh here .. (expletive)
        03-02-2013 , 08:47 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by thetallpaul
        Not sure why didn't bet the turn but otherwise this is standard from Villain. 3bet vs steal (as far as he knew), checked the flop nuts, bet turn. I'd have bet river as well but maybe trying to induce?
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by khangura175
        He should bet all streets n shove river like 100% of the time, theres nothing standard about what the way he played that hand
        +1 to khang.

        both ranges smashed this flop so you shouldn't ever be slow playing.
        03-02-2013 , 08:51 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by chad0x001
        well at least I got the jam right. apparently I should 4bet bigger (cause we're 250bb deep) and cbet smaller. obv villain has been raping me all night and had T9hh here .. (expletive)
        I think your 4bet size is fine. 2.2x is about standard(for 100bb). 2.5-2.7x is good for this deep I think. And yes cbet half pot. If we were 100bb deep less than half pot.
        03-02-2013 , 11:52 PM
        Because I can be a complete spewtard at times, and I need to face what I've done:

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        BTN: $24.05
        SB: $9.83
        BB: $25.00
        UTG: $37.72
        MP: $18.42
        Hero (CO): $50.93

        SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

        Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has T K

        fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.62, BTN calls $0.62, SB calls $0.52, fold

        Flop: ($2.11, 3 players) T 9 Q
        SB checks, Hero bets $1.33, BTN calls $1.33, fold

        Turn: ($4.77, 2 players) 3
        Hero checks, BTN bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

        River: ($10.27, 2 players) A
        Hero checks, BTN bets $4.25, Hero raises to $46.23 and is all-in, BTN calls $15.10 and is all-in

        Hero shows T K (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 37%, Flop 32%, Turn 20%)
        BTN shows Q A (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (Pre 63%, Flop 68%, Turn 80%)
        BTN wins $46.97
        03-03-2013 , 12:02 AM
        I shoved or called with TPTK 3 times today. Also realized that my equity vs set is 1.6%. Need to set up a goal for never shoving vs reg / passive players.
        03-03-2013 , 12:12 AM
        Passive players are precisely the ones you want to be bet/bet/shoving TPTK against.
        03-03-2013 , 12:28 AM
        True. Probably betting until faced with aggression. From my experience they haven't raised with worse than 2 pair.
        03-03-2013 , 12:35 AM
        Love bad spazz regs:

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        BTN: $15.53
        Hero (SB): $28.14
        BB: $30.59
        UTG: $26.33
        MP: $23.87
        CO: $24.43

        Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

        Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has K 9

        fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

        Flop: ($1.50, 2 players) 9 4 J
        Hero bets $0.94, BB raises to $3.13, Hero calls $2.19

        Turn: ($7.76, 2 players) J
        Hero checks, BB bets $4.00, Hero calls $4.00

        River: ($15.76, 2 players) 7
        Hero checks, BB bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

        BB shows K 5 (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 29%, Flop 6%, Turn 2%)
        Hero shows K 9 (Two Pair, Jacks and Nines) (Pre 71%, Flop 94%, Turn 98%)
        Hero wins $29.38
        03-03-2013 , 07:24 AM
        Reg calling k5o in bb? Haha
        03-03-2013 , 07:48 AM
        TDA: how on earth can you call that flop raise?
        Surely more times than not he has a J when he's doing this.
        If he flipped over KJ/QJ at showdown we'd all be saying fold flop easy.
        03-03-2013 , 07:53 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
        Because I can be a complete spewtard at times, and I need to face what I've done:

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        BTN: $24.05
        SB: $9.83
        BB: $25.00
        UTG: $37.72
        MP: $18.42
        Hero (CO): $50.93

        SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

        Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has T K

        fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.62, BTN calls $0.62, SB calls $0.52, fold

        Flop: ($2.11, 3 players) T 9 Q
        SB checks, Hero bets $1.33, BTN calls $1.33, fold

        Turn: ($4.77, 2 players) 3
        Hero checks, BTN bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

        River: ($10.27, 2 players) A
        Hero checks, BTN bets $4.25, Hero raises to $46.23 and is all-in, BTN calls $15.10 and is all-in

        Hero shows T K (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 37%, Flop 32%, Turn 20%)
        BTN shows Q A (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (Pre 63%, Flop 68%, Turn 80%)
        BTN wins $46.97

        Well it certainly can't be bad if regs think you spew a lot
        03-03-2013 , 08:17 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
        TDA: how on earth can you call that flop raise?
        Surely more times than not he has a J when he's doing this.
        If he flipped over KJ/QJ at showdown we'd all be saying fold flop easy.
        Raising KJ/QJ isn't great, fold out worse and be called by better. As a standard I wouldn't expect to see it too often from a reg. His range is mostly draws, sets and possibly AJ. We have a blocker to one of the draws outs and we block one of the possible sets.
        Turn is a great card for us. OTR everything bricks besides T8(which shouldn't be in his range all that often.

        The reg obviously had a decent agg% or this would be a horrible call down.
        03-03-2013 , 08:24 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
        TDA: how on earth can you call that flop raise?
        Surely more times than not he has a J when he's doing this.
        If he flipped over KJ/QJ at showdown we'd all be saying fold flop easy.
        I wouldn't think most regs raise a J on that flop.

        I'd guess the range is limited to big draw Q/10 suited/set/bluff.
        03-03-2013 , 08:48 AM
        if I open AAXXss what to do when I miss flop ?



          Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 3 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16305581

          Hero (BB): $2 (100 bb)
          BTN: $2.65 (132.5 bb)
          SB: $1.58 (79 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with 3 A K A
          BTN raises to $0.07, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.14, BTN calls $0.07

          Flop: ($0.29) 7 4 6 (2 players)
          Hero bets $0.28, BTN raises to $1.12, Hero folds

          Spoiler:
          Results: $0.85 pot ($0.03 rake)
          Final Board: 7 4 6
          Hero mucked 3 A K A and lost (-$0.42 net)
          BTN mucked and won $0.82 ($0.40 net)



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          03-03-2013 , 09:58 AM
          well 4 days of hardcore grinding at 2nl......3 tabling

          this **** is killing me......

          gonna try to grind out $1000 at 2nl cause i got no confidence in my game.....

          then ill try to see if i can beat 5 or 10nl.....

          hopefully it wont take more than 2 months.....

          well my stats are 18/11 so theres something seriously wrong with my game.....

          03-03-2013 , 10:47 AM
          trying to grind out 500bi would be soul destroying lol.
          03-03-2013 , 11:01 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by gamma001
          trying to grind out 500bi would be soul destroying lol.
          +500
          03-03-2013 , 11:54 AM
          well its my only hope...that or winning the Sunday Million.

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by gamma001
          trying to grind out 500bi would be soul destroying lol.
          03-03-2013 , 03:17 PM
          id aim for between 50-100Bi, by then you should be well capable of beating 5nl easily enough.
          03-03-2013 , 04:21 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
          TDA: how on earth can you call that flop raise?
          Surely more times than not he has a J when he's doing this.
          If he flipped over KJ/QJ at showdown we'd all be saying fold flop easy.
          We're BvB, so he's going to be bluffing this spot more often. The flop is fairly drawy, so he can have lots of draws in his flop raising range (KQo is probably a raise in that spot for him). His flop raising range is likely polarised, so Jx is unlikely, he probably 3bets JJ pre, and I have a blocker to sets/2P combos. The turn's an awful barrel card for him, and if he was good I probably would've folded to the turn barrel (b/c I often have Jx here, his draws didn't improve and it reduces the number of value combos he can have), but as he's bad, overly aggressive and spewy I'm happy to call the turn. The draws blank out on the river and he probably continues to barrel all his bluffs here, not to mention that he only really has 4-8 value combos (depending on how hard he pushes J9 in this spot), so the river is a call, especially getting 3-1.
          03-03-2013 , 05:55 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
          Love bad spazz regs:

          PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
          Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

          BTN: $15.53
          Hero (SB): $28.14
          BB: $30.59
          UTG: $26.33
          MP: $23.87
          CO: $24.43

          Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

          Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has K 9

          fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

          Flop: ($1.50, 2 players) 9 4 J
          Hero bets $0.94, BB raises to $3.13, Hero calls $2.19

          Turn: ($7.76, 2 players) J
          Hero checks, BB bets $4.00, Hero calls $4.00

          River: ($15.76, 2 players) 7
          Hero checks, BB bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

          BB shows K 5 (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 29%, Flop 6%, Turn 2%)
          Hero shows K 9 (Two Pair, Jacks and Nines) (Pre 71%, Flop 94%, Turn 98%)
          Hero wins $29.38
          if BB made river about 11-12ish would you still have called?

                
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