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03-01-2015 , 12:28 PM

jack4you

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I think that in general this is a very bad idea but at the same time can't it cause another player to potentially get it all in with your pre flop?

For instance I got QQ, guy limped with AA, I raised to like a $1 and change he doubled me. I think about how he limped and shove all in. Insta call with AA.

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03-01-2015 , 12:30 PM

micardo88

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Never limp any hand

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03-01-2015 , 12:54 PM

dakk453

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On the contrary, limp-reraising from a TAG basically announces they have AA.

From a fish it could be anything, but you're not a fish are you OP?

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03-01-2015 , 01:35 PM

BitchiBee

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limping is def fine sometimes, only when you are at an intermediate stage of your development tho ie small stakes

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03-01-2015 , 03:04 PM

6471849653

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U estimate the goods and bads w it but u seldom open call late w aa. Giving others, including the blinds the possibility to beat ur aces w a nothing hand isnt ideal though one isnt going to lose too much either. But in a lot of game open raising would have less value eg. they always fold, or u often get raised when u limp, after u possibly just call as limp rr is rather ridiculousvs. a lotof players but vs. others it is the best way.

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03-01-2015 , 03:11 PM

TVC21

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Originally Posted by jack4you

With QQ vs a limp/RR from an unknown you should just call and try to flop a set or pray to check down vs. AK

Because it's almost always AA. You fell for it that time, but now you should know better.

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Never limp any hand

No. There are many cases where limping behind is the clearly the best play, i.e. 44 on the button with 5 limpers to you. Open limping is what you should avoid unless you want to be a total fish.

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03-01-2015 , 03:25 PM

CleanoutKid

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Generally, you shouldn't be limping into hands.

However, with AA or even KK, sometimes I will limp when I have it Under The Gun if I know there is someone who will make a preflop raise in the same hand. Soon as they do that I come with a big raise over the top, usually around 3-4 times whatever they put into the pot. I love doing this because for me what usually happens is I either get put all in, or the person i raised calls and tags along for a couple streets of value bets (unless the board looks wet in which case I'll still put pressure unless they start seriously fighting back)

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03-01-2015 , 03:29 PM

TVC21

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Originally Posted by CleanoutKid

See OP? This what people are doing when they limp reraise

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03-01-2015 , 04:01 PM

jack4you

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Originally Posted by TVC21

See OP? This what people are doing when they limp reraise

It is true, one time I had a guy limp raise all in with K7.

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03-01-2015 , 04:03 PM

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Kelvis

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Originally Posted by jack4you

I think that in general this is a very bad idea but at the same time can't it cause another player to potentially get it all in with your pre flop?

For instance I got QQ, guy limped with AA, I raised to like a $1 and change he doubled me. I think about how he limped and shove all in. Insta call with AA.

Contradiction. You want to get the money in preflop and the way you try to achieve this is by.... not putting in more money? It's like I want to pay you for something and I'll start by not giving you a penny, but I really want to pay you!!

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03-01-2015 , 04:25 PM

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CleanoutKid

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Originally Posted by TVC21

See OP? This what people are doing when they limp reraise

Not a bad idea tho no? Hahaha

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03-01-2015 , 04:28 PM

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BitchiBee

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really bad idea

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03-01-2015 , 04:53 PM

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CleanoutKid

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Originally Posted by BitchiBee

really bad idea

What makes it a bad idea though exactly? I always thought I was making a good move especially since I've profited from it so many times

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03-01-2015 , 04:59 PM

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Kelvis

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Originally Posted by CleanoutKid

What makes it a bad idea though exactly? I always thought I was making a good move especially since I've profited from it so many times

Against complete morons in live games it can be good. Even though I am never a big fan of it some people just love to attack limps and then not fold to a raise, it is highly exploitable though so you need to get a 3bet in a pretty high amount.

The upside of doing this in live games is because people tend to call 3bets more often than they are actually 3betting themselves. I've seen it work lots of times when someone raises and calls the 3bet for no good reason, live players don't like to fold to 3bets and they certainly didn't drive to the casino to go and fold everything.

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03-01-2015 , 05:15 PM

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CleanoutKid

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

Against complete morons in live games it can be good. Even though I am never a big fan of it some people just love to attack limps and then not fold to a raise

Wouldn't this be a good thing even if they do call though since AA is usually favored to win over 50% of the time? I'm just tryna understand this cause I always found this to be a profitable move

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03-01-2015 , 05:22 PM

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Kelvis

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Originally Posted by CleanoutKid

Wouldn't this be a good thing even if they do call though since AA is usually favored to win over 50% of the time? I'm just tryna understand this cause I always found this to be a profitable move

Of course you want them to call (or raise), it's just that by limping you allow people to see 3 more cards for very cheap which they wouldn't have been able to do if you raise preflop. You must have a pretty high chance that someone at the table is going to raise to make this better than raising.

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03-01-2015 , 05:31 PM

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CleanoutKid

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

I'm on the same page with this, usually I only do it if Ive seen someone raise enough times to be sure they're going to pull that **** on me

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03-01-2015 , 06:33 PM

#18

otatop

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Originally Posted by CleanoutKid

What makes it a bad idea though exactly?

Because it's basically the same as typing into the chat box "I have AA/KK".

It's a move that works against player who just click buttons randomly, but against anyone even kind of paying attention, it telegraphs exactly what hand you have and lets them play perfectly against you.

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03-01-2015 , 06:47 PM

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WereBeer

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It's pretty bad most of the time, if you have someone who is practically guaranteed to raise you and they're the kind of person that won't fold when you come back over the top, then that's fine.

The safest play is to just raise preflop and not risk playing 6 ways OOP in a limped pot, because that's how you get stacked by some ******ed bottom two pair hand.

I can tell you that if I iso a limper and they 3bet me (not a min raise) then I will fold just about any hand except KK.

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03-01-2015 , 07:17 PM

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Rexam01

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It's all about game flow, opponents and stack size etc.

Sometimes it works and others it is just too exploitable. Don't be results orientated on this one

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03-01-2015 , 07:54 PM

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TVC21

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Originally Posted by jack4you

It is true, one time I had a guy limp raise all in with K7.

There will always be people doing random stuff sometimes in poker. I'm sure somewhere out there there's a player that limp/RR 72o every time they get it just for LOLz. But in general (i.e more than 75%+ of the time) it's gonna be AA/KK/QQ/AK (and in that order of frequency)

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03-01-2015 , 09:20 PM

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Play4Keeps

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Originally Posted by micardo88

Never limp any hand

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03-01-2015 , 09:36 PM

#23

WereBeer

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Originally Posted by Play4Keeps

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not this

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03-01-2015 , 09:40 PM

#24

Play4Keeps

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Originally Posted by WereBeer

not this

well played sir... well played

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03-01-2015 , 10:35 PM

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BitchiBee

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Originally Posted by CleanoutKid

What makes it a bad idea though exactly? I always thought I was making a good move especially since I've profited from it so many times

its terribly difficult to split a tight ep range properly. ie since you aren't an expert player your limp/rr range is gonna be aa/kk/ak which is lol vs anyone with a brain

I think limping with 22-88 is fine in live game from ep however because you hand if you hit it will still be relatively disguised its fine, most people know l/rr is very strong

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